[Jabberwalker]

In situations as above, more often the biggest thug is the survivor. The one that helps no one and will do anything to anybody to survive.
Thus is the fundamental flaw of our species. Nature rewards the psychotics.

[andyt]

that would mean we're all psychotic by now. Actually we're the most consciously co-operative species there is (ie not counting ants). It's hard wired in us. I've seen calculations that show the maximum number of psychotics in a group (ie ones that don't co-operate). I think it was around 25%, after that the behavior is self-defeating since nobody trusts anybody. So far we haven't got there yet. But who knows what the future brings:

The success of vaccination means people aren't aware of the danger of diseases anymore and so can come up with these silly reasons why not to vaccinate - until the disease gets a foothold again and scares people straight as boots pointed out.

Seems to be the same mechanism as our economy. The success of the mixed economy capitalist state with strong safety net has made people forget how bad things can be. They start slagging unions, all want to emulate robber barons, screw you I'm getting mine. Until we face another depression to smarted people up. Unfortunately there's no vaccine for that sort of stupidity. The survivors tho, will be the co-operators. That's the only way we've been able to build ourselves up to the degree we have, not by the rugged individualists.

[Jabberwalker]

that would mean we're all psychotic by now.

.... compared to the other glacial mega-fauna that we have co-habited with (and wiped out)
ummm, yes. Yes we are.

[Regina]

bootlegga bootlegga:

I don't know if his research is totally accurate, but if it is, this chart pretty much proves anyone arguing against vaccinations is totally and absolutely wrong;

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Vaccination Breakdown.jpg

https://twitter.com/Neal_Dewing/media

A Bingo has been called..........

[Thanos]

bootlegga bootlegga:

Thanos Thanos:

That's why I've previously said that the only thing that'll stop the stupidity will be when one of the old diseases returns full force and kills a few million people. And even then the idiocy and tinhattery is so deeply entrenched now that most of the ignorant motherfuckers will start screaming about a Big Gov/Big Pharma co-conspiracy that did it on purpose. False flag! Fake moon landings! Tri-Lateral Commission! 9/11! JFK! Chemtrails! Benghazi! Obamacare!

The greatest problem with this current age that we're stuck in is that the stupidity now runs so deep that nothing will be able to completely root it out. The bad ones that deliberately commit evil acts are in reality few and far between. The stupid ones though? Their numbers are beyond legion and when they act the result turns out to be pretty much the same as if it were done by the actively malicious tiny minority. Personally I believe that it has the potential to bring down our civilization altogether but that in and of itself might not be such a bad thing to have happen. The morons and idiots will be the first to die off in such massive numbers that their departure will by default cause a massive upswing to a much higher collective IQ that a golden age might naturally and spontaneously occur.

It may seem like a solution, but in reality, a massive die-off will kill both the smart and the stupid alike, as the smart will die from food shortages, energy shortages, disease (cholera, dysentery) and a host of other factors brought by the deaths of so many people.

What will happen however, is that the survivors will be far more pragmatic and embrace vaccinations, at least for a couple generations, until their children get as lazy/stupid as many are nowadays.

Depends. If the intelligent (or at least the non-deliberately stupid) retreat and retrench from the big cities where the worst of the die-off will occur then the odds of them getting damaged in the secondary epidemics would be greatly reduced. Keeping the water clean and the power going won't be all that difficult either. With the consumer base shattered there'd be more than enough gasoline and diesel to spare to be able to run off of generators for at least a couple of years until they managed to restore hydroelectric. It'd be like Lucifer's Hammer in a few locales anyway. Turn a dam or a nuclear plant into a fortress and the power won't ever go off anyway.

Also, here's about the stupidest slippery-slope anti-vaccination argument ever made. Once again, the mass die-off/natural culling might not be the worst thing to ever happen, not if it succeeded in getting rid of mongoloids like this.

[andyt]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

that would mean we're all psychotic by now.

.... compared to the other glacial mega-fauna that we have co-habited with (and wiped out)
ummm, yes. Yes we are.

There isn't a mega or macro or micro fauna that wouldn't wipe out it's food source if it could. There's no built in mechanism to prevent it, just environmental economics. We wiped them out, but it certainly didn't wipe us out, as other species would have been. And, did we really extirpate them, or did other environmental factors play a larger role.

You could say we're psychotic because of the conflict between our higher order thought processes and all our more unconscious, instinctual behavior that might conflict with them. But then that's nothing we're becoming, that's always been the case since we reached sapienhood.

[Jabberwalker]

The odds of our surviving our "Sapienshood" are somewhat less than 50/50.

[andyt]

Sure. We are lemmings.

[Jabberwalker]

... pretty much ...

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

Sure. We are lemmings.

Are you referring to that old wives tale that Lemmings follow each other around and jump off cliffs?

I never thought that made very much sense. Which biological imperative does that fulfill, reproduction or survival?

[ShepherdsDog]

It's a crock of shit.

[2Cdo]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

It's a crock of shit.

Much like the fucktard who posted it.

[andyt]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

andyt andyt:

Sure. We are lemmings.

Are you referring to that old wives tale that Lemmings follow each other around and jump off cliffs?

I never thought that made very much sense. Which biological imperative does that fulfill, reproduction or survival?

$1:

In northern Scandinavia, the populations of both Norwegian lemmings (Lemmus lemmus) and voles (mostly Microtus agrestis) fluctuate dramatically but approximately regularly. Vole population graphs have rounded peaks, whereas those for lemmings have a saw-toothed pattern. This shows that the vole cycle is predator-driven, Turchin and colleagues explain in Nature1. Lemming numbers, on the other hand, crash when they exhaust their plant food.

http://www.nature.com/news/2000/000601/ ... 01-10.html


But I was thinking really more of this:



Before your time I guess.

[DrCaleb]

I was thinking more like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Wild ... %28film%29

[andyt]

No doubt you were.