[Zipperfish]

Goodluck Jonathon is about to find his life getting very difficult. He seems to be relishing the spotlight right now. I don't think he really gets the western outrage thing. Then again we don't really get the African "meh" thing.

Parallels with the Taliban again. All we need now is evidence of middle east funding of Boko Haram.

[andyt]

Other analysis says that Boko Haram has really shot themselves in the foot here, with people finally outraged enough to do something. Do what tho? The US said they would work in close cooperation with the Nigerian government and army - good luck with that, they are the problem, not the solution.

What I've read is some people saying they are being funded by Al Qaeda of Iraq, others saying there's no evidence of outside funding.

[Freakinoldguy]

andyt andyt:

$1:

Boko Haram formed amid Nigerian government corruption

The wide-scale kleptocracy of the Nigerian government, which is accused of pilfering billions of dollars of oil revenues and having spawned a massively corrupt civil service, may have played a role in giving birth to Boko Haram, the group behind the kidnappings of nearly 300 schoolgirls, experts say.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/boko-haram ... -1.2636547

Do you seriously believe Boko Haram carries out it's acts of terror due to the Nigerian Governments corruption because, if that's that was indeed the case then please explain why the 17 of the most corrupt countries in the world don't have the same issues since there should be a correlation between corruption and armed Islamic revolution.

2013
CPI Score


1. Somalia 8
North Korea 8
Afghanistan 8
4. Sudan 11
5. South Sudan 14
6. Libya 15
7. Iraq 16
8. Uzbekistan 17
Turkmenistan 17
Syria 17
11. Yemen 18
12. Haiti 19
Guinea Bissau 19
Equatorial Guinea 19
15. Chad 19
16. Venezuela 19
17. Eritrea 20
Cambodia 20


http://www.infoplease.com/world/statist ... z31EWKG4dS

But then again I guess with the exception of a few of these corrupt countries they're already living under some form of Sharia law or don't have a large enough Muslim population to warrant the batshit crazies demanding their own State so they can revert back to life in the good old days of the 1400's.

I also noticed that corruption seems to be prevalent in more Muslim countries than non Muslim countries which, would make one wonder why groups like Boko Haram haven't sprung up in response to the corruption there. So I'm going to disagree with Ms Chayes and say that Boko Harm's inception and continued trip down the path of total destruction has little to do with corruption and everything to do with forming an Sharia state within a non Islamic country that has a larger than normal Muslim population.

[andyt]

$1:

Motivations for complex phenomena like insurgencies never stem from a single driver. Still, a remarkable correlation exists between severe and systemic corruption and ideological extremism. Of the bottom 11 countries on Transparency International's Corruption Perceptions Index — a well-known annual ranking of perceived corruption in nations around the world — eight harbor a violent extremist movement. Not one of the 11 countries identified as least corrupt does.

In fact, nearly every country facing an extremist insurgency, from Nigeria to Afghanistan to the Philippines, is run by a kleptocratic clique. And almost every popular revolt aimed at toppling a government in recent years, from the Arab uprisings to Ukraine's revolution, began as a protest against acute corruption.

http://articles.latimes.com/2014/mar/27 ... y-20140327

$1:

As popular uprisings keep toppling governments like bowling pins, the latest round has morphed into a great power face-off — with Russia and the West glowering at each other across a divided Ukraine. Thailand, a key United States military friend in Southeast Asia, could be next on the list. Thousands of protests rock Chinese provinces each month, worrying President Xi Jinping’s still-green administration. The Egyptian and Syrian revolutions have spun off into bloody and widening strife, while extremist insurgencies in Afghanistan, Nigeria and the Philippines stubbornly challenge state stability.

What links these far-flung events, most of them high on the U.S. list of security priorities? Corruption. Not garden-variety corruption, the kind that exists everywhere. Acute and systemic corruption has taken hold in these countries. And it is driving indignant populations, who are networked and communicating as never before, to extremes. Around the world, pervasive corruption drives a list of other security risks too, such as terrorist facilitation; traffic in weapons or drugs; nuclear proliferation; theft of intellectual property; fractured financial systems; and governments that are enmeshed with transnational criminal superpowers. And yet, U.S. military and intelligence officials seem blind to both the character and the security implications of this type of corruption. Like an odorless gas, it fuels all these dangers without attracting much policy response inside or outside of Foggy Bottom.

http://www.offnews.info/verArticulo.php ... doID=49544

[BRAH]

Are We Really This Powerless?
RUSH: I can't believe this. We are one of the few people talking about the 300 or more Nigerian girls kidnapped by Boko Haram, which, when I hear that name I think of A Whiter Shade of Pale, Procol Harum. That's not who it is. This is a terrorist bunch. Hillary's State Department refused to designate them a terrorist bunch.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2014/05/08/are_we_really_this_powerless

$1:

From The Daily Beast: "Hillary’s State Department Refused to Brand Boko Haram as Terrorists -- Under Hillary Clinton, the State Department repeatedly declined to fully go after the terror group responsible for kidnapping hundreds of girls." And that means they are what? They're African. They're black. It's a strange article to see in The Daily Beast. You think maybe The Daily Caller or Breitbart, but this is in The Daily Beast. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/07/hillary-s-state-department-refused-to-brand-boko-haram-as-terrorists.html

___


#BringBackOurGirls is trendy but that's all it is a trend which will lose steam soon enough and the celebrities showing their outrage with this hash-tag will move on to another tragic event while nothing has really changed because the reality is all those girls will never be saved.

[Zipperfish]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Do you seriously believe Boko Haram carries out it's acts of terror due to the Nigerian Governments corruption because, if that's that was indeed the case then please explain why the 17 of the most corrupt countries in the world don't have the same issues since there should be a correlation between corruption and armed Islamic revolution.

2013
CPI Score


1. Somalia 8
North Korea 8
Afghanistan 8
4. Sudan 11
5. South Sudan 14
6. Libya 15
7. Iraq 16
8. Uzbekistan 17
Turkmenistan 17
Syria 17
11. Yemen 18
12. Haiti 19
Guinea Bissau 19
Equatorial Guinea 19
15. Chad 19
16. Venezuela 19
17. Eritrea 20
Cambodia 20

I seriously question North Korea being on that list.

Corruption may not be a sole cause, but it certainly makes things easier.

[N_Fiddledog]

BRAH BRAH:

___


#BringBackOurGirls is trendy but that's all it is a trend which will lose steam soon enough and the celebrities showing their outrage with this hash-tag will move on to another tragic event while nothing has really changed because the reality is all those girls will never be saved.

Terrorists beware. Moochelle will issue a Tweet.

[Zipperfish]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

BRAH BRAH:

___


#BringBackOurGirls is trendy but that's all it is a trend which will lose steam soon enough and the celebrities showing their outrage with this hash-tag will move on to another tragic event while nothing has really changed because the reality is all those girls will never be saved.

Terrorists beware. Moochelle will issue a Tweet.

[N_Fiddledog]

What are trying to say Zip? That you don't believe Hilary's refusal to designate Boko Harram as a terrorist organization matters here?

Once so designated wouldn't there be restrictions on movement of finances? Not to mention movement of any representative or connection through international borders. Wouldn't it be easier for Nigeria to rely on America and it's allies for help? In fact wouldn't Nigeria feel a kind of pressure to act?

Wouldn't a terrorist designation from the most powerful country in the world be more potent than a late tweet from the President's wife?

Or do you mean Hilary's refusal does not reflect Obama administration policy? It does you know.

[Zipperfish]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

What are trying to say Zip? That you don't believe Hilary's refusal to designate Boko Harram as a terrorist organization matters here?

Once so designated wouldn't there be restrictions on movement of finances? Not to mention movement of any representative or connection through international borders. Wouldn't it be easier for Nigeria to rely on America and it's allies for help? In fact wouldn't Nigeria feel a kind of pressure to act?

Wouldn't a terrorist designation from the most powerful country in the world be more potent than a late tweet from the President's wife?

Or do you mean Hilary's refusal does not reflect Obama administration policy? It does you know.

If your beef is with Hilary, what's with the graphic with Micelle Obama?

From what I've read, it looks like Hilary missed the boat with designating Boko Haram a terrorist organization. No argument from me there.

Nigeria's motivations aren't the same as our motiviations. I don't know if you've ever sepnt time over in Africa or other third-world countries, but the first thing that became evident to me is that we are not on the same page. Not even close. Relying on a corrupt, venal, weak government to do anything would be a mistake in my opinion.

To me (as I've already mentioned) this situation has a lot of parallels with the Taliban (with the possible exception of rich Saudi funding, but I wouldn't be surprised to see that happening either).

What is your suggestion?

[ShepherdsDog]

These # Bring back our girls pictures are about as useful as the FB "if I get 1 million likes......"

PS Obama's boss looks about as sincere as a politician in this

[Public_Domain]

[xerxes]

Public_Domain Public_Domain:

Agreed.

Put some troops on the ground and kill them all. Definitelely no complaints from me if we took that route.

As long as we don't get the troops to stick around for another decade, that is.

I read somewhere that the UK wants to send some SAS. That's a great start. Hell, a squad of them could easily sort out these animals.

[ShepherdsDog]

if the girls are brought back safe and sound, don't bother asking how they did it or what the condition of the roaches are.

[N_Fiddledog]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

If your beef is with Hilary, what's with the graphic with Micelle Obama?

It was a response to a previous post. In that one the Mooch-is-tweeting graphic was at the bottom of a post that re-mentioned Hilary's refusal to designate Boko Harram as a terrorist organization.

If the Obama administration had offered Hilary better instruction on that business of calling a terrorist a terrorist their actions might have had some potency.

Having Mooch with a sad look on her face tweeting that the horse is loose after the barn door was left open was lame and useless. She looked silly. It made the whole administration look impotent and foolish. Or perhaps I should say moreso.