[Thanos]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Yet another development in the original story:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ead_module

MI5 was surveilling these mutts for months and did nothing about them. That's comforting.

Apparently he got into a scuffle with police after claiming that he had the right to behead anyone who insults Islam. I can't imagine why he drew the attention of MI5. Given England's rather onerous "hate laws" one wonders why such a comment could not be construed as hate speech and why charges were not laid.

I'm sure there will be an inquiry, although I do sympathize a bit with MI5--they are geared, I'm sure, to detecting large operations resulting in large numbers of civilian casualties. I doubt they have the manpower to be able to reliably track small-scale attacks such as these.

As in Canada and the United States, I'm 100% positive that the unwritten assumption behind British and European hate laws is that only white males are ever to be prosecuted under them.

Good point on whether or not David Cameron's austerity financing has damaged Britain's domestic intelligence and security apparatus. They seem uniquely oblivious to how much devastation austerity has wreaked over the British economy and military over the last several years, so it really wouldn't be a surprise at all if MI5 and MI6 are shadows of what they used to be thanks to the British government adopting this worst-possible of all economic theories and applying it in full force against far too many essential government departments.

[Thanos]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Thanos Thanos:

A fine point that keeps escaping warhawks like John McCain and Lindsey Graham, who keep accusing President Obama of cowardice for not supporting the rebels to the full extent of American military power.

John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and Obama are likewise not the friends of the American people. But at least Obama is honest when he says,

$1:

“I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

The quote comes from page 261 of the paperback edition of The Audacity of Hope.

President Obama's killed far too many Muslims for me to ever believe that he's some kind of liberal squish on them. And all politicians speak the same in public about Muslims anyway, including the neo-cons and their lapdogs like McCain and Graham, who incessantly boost American military intervention across the entire planet so that the utopian chimera of the bullshit "Arab Spring" can succeed.

[Zipperfish]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Thanos Thanos:

A fine point that keeps escaping warhawks like John McCain and Lindsey Graham, who keep accusing President Obama of cowardice for not supporting the rebels to the full extent of American military power.

John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and Obama are likewise not the friends of the American people. But at least Obama is honest when he says,

$1:

“I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

The quote comes from page 261 of the paperback edition of The Audacity of Hope.

I'll stand with them too, in some instances. For instance, if someone brings up a national registry of Muslims or anything like that.

[bambu]

Unsound Unsound:

bambu bambu:

Watching, monitoring, looking into...next minute a young soldier is hacked to death and beheaded on the streets of London.

Doing is what's required.

Agreed, we need to get out there and arrest and torture anyone who hangs out with bad guys or looks at bad guys or listens to bad guys or in any way arouses our suspicions. Maybe if we put cameras in everyone's house we could find these guys even quicker and put a bullet in them?

Or maybe everyone's house is going too far? Maybe just the muslim homes?

What about building a nice new luxury housing estate, with a high wall around it, and have preachers of hate, jihad and treason...and other terror suspects relocated to it?
No need for them to leave the estate, everything would be provided.
Gitmo Mk2.
To keep us safe.

Also cease the massive immigration lunacy that's happening today.

[bambu]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Apparently he got into a scuffle with police after claiming that he had the right to behead anyone who insults Islam. I can't imagine why he drew the attention of MI5. Given England's rather onerous "hate laws" one wonders why such a comment could not be construed as hate speech and why charges were not laid.

Because he's a muslim, that's why. Had anyone else said the same thing you know the Brits would have him in the dock so fast his head would spin. But the muslims get a pass on pretty much anything they want to say.

Like these two mutts on the PIA flight today, you watch and see, they'll get cut loose or let off easy for doing something that would have you or I locked away in a secret prison for the rest of our lives.

They soon arrested Emma West and tossed her in prison...for her verbal stoush with people on a tram, having allegedly been spat at or in her direction.
'Racially aggravated public order offence'.

Should be a new law "Treason aggravated public order offence"...and new cops hired to enforce it.

[bambu]

Thanos Thanos:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Yet another development in the original story:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ead_module

MI5 was surveilling these mutts for months and did nothing about them. That's comforting.

Apparently he got into a scuffle with police after claiming that he had the right to behead anyone who insults Islam. I can't imagine why he drew the attention of MI5. Given England's rather onerous "hate laws" one wonders why such a comment could not be construed as hate speech and why charges were not laid.

I'm sure there will be an inquiry, although I do sympathize a bit with MI5--they are geared, I'm sure, to detecting large operations resulting in large numbers of civilian casualties. I doubt they have the manpower to be able to reliably track small-scale attacks such as these.

As in Canada and the United States, I'm 100% positive that the unwritten assumption behind British and European hate laws is that only white males are ever to be prosecuted under them.

Good point on whether or not David Cameron's austerity financing has damaged Britain's domestic intelligence and security apparatus. They seem uniquely oblivious to how much devastation austerity has wreaked over the British economy and military over the last several years, so it really wouldn't be a surprise at all if MI5 and MI6 are shadows of what they used to be thanks to the British government adopting this worst-possible of all economic theories and applying it in full force against far too many essential government departments.

More likely to be political correctness, fear of being branded 'racist', 'Islamophobic', 'xenophobic' etc.


Couldn't keep borrowing and spending money, or Britain would've soon been bankrupt. Austerity cuts had to be made.

[bambu]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Thanos Thanos:

A fine point that keeps escaping warhawks like John McCain and Lindsey Graham, who keep accusing President Obama of cowardice for not supporting the rebels to the full extent of American military power.

John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and Obama are likewise not the friends of the American people. But at least Obama is honest when he says,

$1:

“I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

The quote comes from page 261 of the paperback edition of The Audacity of Hope.

I'll stand with them too, in some instances. For instance, if someone brings up a national registry of Muslims or anything like that.

So I guess you wouldn't be supporting a national Muslim DNA database?

[BartSimpson]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

I'll stand with (the muslims) too, in some instances. For instance, if someone brings up a national registry of Muslims or anything like that.

What's wrong with a national registry of muslims? Don't you trust your government not to abuse a national registry?

[bambu]

Jughead Jughead:

When I see gruesome crimes of this nature, I am reminded once again as to why I support Capital Punishment.

All death chambers must be abolished.
Premeditated, cold blooded killing of human beings by the state is barbaric, against the UN Declaration of Human Rights, and just plain bad manners.
That's before getting started on all the failings of justice systems that can see innocent people execution-homicided by the state.

All convicteds must be kept alive, in case mistakes have been made.
Execution-homicided convicteds can't be dug up and shaken back to life.

[Thanos]

bambu bambu:

Couldn't keep borrowing and spending money, or Britain would've soon been bankrupt. Austerity cuts had to be made.

A spending freeze would have done much better. There was no need to gut the government altogether, not when the government in every major nation is almost always the main driver of most economic activity altogether. Austerity is a failure, both as a concept and as an economic policy, everywhere it's ever been implemented. Britatin implemented austerity and their economy stagnated, or shrunk even further more than it had during the last economic meltdown. Canada and the United States didn't, for the most part, and as tough as it got our economies have rebounded over the last couple of years. In fact, where austerity was implemented in the US with the mass layoffs of government workers (over a million at last count on the federal, state, and local levels) economic and employment recovery was specifically held back as a consequence.

David Cameron's Tories are as much a bunch of two-faced lying pricks on their economic plan as any Labour government ever was. The Tories "bravely" gutted the British military and withdrew wholesale from training and job creation programs that would have helped alleviate the unemployment crisis. But at the same time they maintained the level of welfare-benefit spending and kept providing free housing for all those scum Muslim immigrants that keep flooding into Britain. It was native-born Britons that get to suffer from government cuts, but it's still a fucking free-for-all for any unemployable and thoroughly worthless Third World piece of shit that immigrates there. David Cameron's just another goddamn politician that'd rather hurt his own than risk being called a racist by cutting immigration and gutting the benefits that the British taxpayer keeps providing for the world's garbage.

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

There was no need to gut the government altogether, not when the government in every major nation is almost always the main driver of most economic activity altogether.

You don't get it, do you? That last part (bolded) is the problem.

Government spending removes money from the economy and then redistributes it.

Saying that government spending creates wealth is like saying that you can take water from one end of a swimming pool and dump it in the other end and somehow claim to have created more water.

[Thanos]

That's a load of Reaganesque trickle-down nonsense. Government spending creates massive amounts of economic activity and job creation in the private sector, which in turn expands and strengthens the tax base that keeps the overall society running. Any suggestion that the government can be casually or cleanly removed from the economy and that no negative consequences will ever result is absolutely ludicrous, and flies in the face of the government/free enterprise partnership that's been the foundation of the Western world for the last several hundred years. Practically every instance, except maybe for the privatization of liquor stores, where the government has withdrawn and been replaced by the private sector (eg. utilities privatization and deregulation) has been an absolute disaster that wreaks massive amounts of damage on the population as a whole and enriches only a paltry few.

No one believes in the purity of the private sector anymore, except for a few libertarian jackanapes and a handful of clowns who are paid handsomely to endlessly flog this lie at places like FOX News. All-government is a disaster, but it's no worse in the slightest than the bastardized idea of all-private sector. Just as the greatest things are always found through agreement and compromise, the best place for the most people and for most of society is in a balanced economic partnership that lies in the middle between the extremes on the fringes.

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

That's a load of Reaganesque trickle-down nonsense. Government spending creates massive amounts of economic activity and job creation in the private sector, which in turn expands and strengthens the tax base that keeps the overall society running.

Then if private enterprise were abolished in favor of state-run enterprises we'd all be rich beyond our wildest dreams...right?

[Thanos]

Well, thanks for ignoring altogether my well-expressed belief that a mixed economy is the best possible solution in favour of accusing my of being a supporter of a government-dictated command economy. I readily and freely admit have my moments of extremism but I certainly don't permanently reside in the black-vs-white all-good vs all-evil world you're stuck in.

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

Well, thanks for ignoring altogether my well-expressed belief that a mixed economy is the best possible solution in favour of accusing my of being a supporter of a government-dictated command economy. I readily and freely admit have my moments of extremism but I certainly don't permanently reside in the black-vs-white all-good vs all-evil world you're stuck in.

I understand and I was not trying to say that.

But what I am getting at is that if you're going to propose that the effect of government spending is to be so wonderful then shouldn't more spending be more wonderful?

If government spending is more advantageous than private sector spending then it would be logical for government to control everything for the most benefit, wouldn't it?

(Of course not)

But once we say that the thought of government spending is become an absurdity at 100% of the economy then we need to start identifying the level at which it does the least harm.

We also need to put an end to inflation as that is also a form of government spending as the government uses inflation as a means to create budget money out of thin air. They also use it as a form of hidden tazation as it erases the savings of taxpayers. And don't forget that inflation is also a means for the government to write down (default) on their debts.

Massive government spending is a temporary measure that should be reserved for wartime and not just because politicians can't develop the balls to tell their constituents the bad news when there's bad news.