[bootlegga]

DanSC DanSC:

bootlegga bootlegga:

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

Retail is hell.

Working retail is the best reason to get an education!

That's why I went to college. That and construction got old really fast.

Yep, working unskilled jobs is a recipe for a lifetime of poverty.

That's why I went back to school to finish my Bachelors degree (and later on, a Masters degree).

[BartSimpson]

bootlegga bootlegga:

Yep, working unskilled jobs is a recipe for a lifetime of poverty.

Yet some folks think that the unskilled have a right to the same wages as those people who spend the best years of their lives devoted to study and then apprenticing in an avocation.

[bootlegga]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

bootlegga bootlegga:

Yep, working unskilled jobs is a recipe for a lifetime of poverty.

Yet some folks think that the unskilled have a right to the same wages as those people who spend the best years of their lives devoted to study and then apprenticing in an avocation.

I ain't one of them - I'm all for helping people get better educations and have a better life, but they've got to put in the effort as well.

That's why I'd prefer spending money on helping people get better educations (unlike AndyT wanting to increase minimum wage) - be it university, trade school or even night classes to help them get ahead in their own career. I've spent close to $20,000 out of my own pocket in the past four years on education - university, night classes, and professional development courses. It makes me more employable and my annual earnings have almost doubled because of it.

If you don't give a damn and and aren't willing to do anything to make your situation better, then don't expect me to give a damn either.

Like it or not, people need to understand that lifelong learning is a matter of fact these days and nobody can rest on their laurels and hope their education from a decade or more ago is still 100% relevant.

[QBC]

I wonder if the gunman fired before or after the morning Walmart chant?

(I personally think Walmart is a front for a radical cult for those with questionable hygiene)

[andyt]

bootlegga bootlegga:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

bootlegga bootlegga:

Yep, working unskilled jobs is a recipe for a lifetime of poverty.

Yet some folks think that the unskilled have a right to the same wages as those people who spend the best years of their lives devoted to study and then apprenticing in an avocation.

I ain't one of them - I'm all for helping people get better educations and have a better life, but they've got to put in the effort as well.

That's why I'd prefer spending money on helping people get better educations (unlike AndyT wanting to increase minimum wage) - be it university, trade school or even night classes to help them get ahead in their own career. I've spent close to $20,000 out of my own pocket in the past four years on education - university, night classes, and professional development courses. It makes me more employable and my annual earnings have almost doubled because of it.

If you don't give a damn and and aren't willing to do anything to make your situation better, then don't expect me to give a damn either.

Like it or not, people need to understand that lifelong learning is a matter of fact these days and nobody can rest on their laurels and hope their education from a decade or more ago is still 100% relevant.

If you're going to take Bart's strawman seriously, what can I say.

So all the people working in low paying jobs, if they went back to school there would magically be high paying jobs awaiting them and nobody would have to do the low paying ones. What I argue is that even somebody at the bottom deserves a living wage that allows them to go back to school if they so choose and have the abilities required (many don't), but can still live some kind of life if they don't/can't.

[uwish]

I don't think so. It's called motivation andyt, I get attitude all the time here in Calgary. When we go out for lunch and the service is shit guess what, so is my tip. But I have had servers actually run after us and ask why the tip was either 0 or very low.

I didn't go to school and become a professional so I can get shitty ass service by a 19 YO punk kid who 'thinks' they are entitled to make 'oil and gas industry' style wage for doing nothing!

not on my watch.

[andyt]

Are you a noob, reviving necros? So you want a servant class to serve you get paid wages they can barely survive on, so they stroke your ego with what a great gent you are and how lucky they are to serve you? Do you at least tip all the other low wage workers you encounter in your day? Janitors, security guards, temp workers of all kinds, what have you?

So you became a professional so you can play the big man getting service? That's sad.


And who said anything about oil and gas wages? Guess you only have black and white wages.

[uwish]

sure....run away with your little fantasy you said it not me.

The point is people shoveling shit shouldn't make $60k a year, sorry but you shouldn't and you don't. There is a reason for it and it has nothing to do with servant class it's called qualifications / education.

[andyt]

Nobody said the people shovelling shit should make 60k a year. Cleaning up your shit should certain be reasonably well paid tho. but I can see it threatens your ego to think that all the professional training does't provide you with a forelock tugging servant class. Always thought the was the prime reason why people are so vehemently opposed to others earning a reasonable wage, just never seen it expressed quite so baldly.

[uwish]

it has NOTHING to do me not wanting anyone to earn a reasonable wage, you drew that assumption NOT ME. So don't start yipping about something I didn't say.

I have no threat to my ego, what I clearly said was I have an issue with very low skilled people 'thinking' they are entitled to something that they are NOT.

If they want to become unskilled, guess what there are many ways to obtain that, so stop playing word games.

[DanSC]

Of all the thread titles to bring back from the dead, this one worried me greatly

[andyt]

And as usual people will blame me for bringing up the issue of low wages.

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

And as usual people will blame me for bringing up the issue of low wages.

We never blame you for bringing up the topic. What we find fault with are your proposed 'solutions'that you never seem to think through.

Coincidentally, I just had a chat with an Italian friend who was telling me about how Italy's minimum wage doubled when Italy converted to the Euro.

The day the Euro was implemented so was the wage. And the prices for many things doubled, as well.

Meaning that the 'gains' Italian workers had from the doubling of their wage were wiped out in less than 48 hours.

Your solution to this non-problem would be to increase the minimum wage yet again and start the cycle of inflation yet again.

My advice is for minimum wage workers to improve their skills and find better work.

[andyt]

Prices didn't double because of the minimum wage. Prices are not just set by wages, wages might be say 25% on average. And many of those wages are above minimum wage, so the component of price doubling that would be attributed to min wage would be very small. But then you believe you can have 100% of your overtime taxed away, so there's probably no point in trying to explain this to you.