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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:34 am
 


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Brenda Brenda:
But they can't be, since they did nothing wrong, according to state law. Which would make this nothing more than a "tragic accident".

Well, there would be some people who would argue the parents were criminally negligent but I'm no lawyer.

They should. And the state should do something about their ridiculously lenient gun laws. The kid probably had no clue and maybe just thought it was "cool". We're talking about an 8 year old. What do they know? If they are not taught that guns are not to play with...

Pisses me off to the max.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:36 am
 


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What part of it discharged in his backpack don't you understand?


News reports interviewing the teacher's husband say deliberate.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:59 am
 


Brenda Brenda:
But they can't be, since they did nothing wrong, according to state law. Which would make this nothing more than a "tragic accident".

And likely that's all it will be considered :roll: . Too many of these "tragic accidents" involving children and guns take place and these are so easily prevented. This is when lack of regulations proves to be a contributing factor. However, even with the lack of a law to prevent child access to firearms (see quote in andy's previous post), adults who own guns, and keep them loaded, should have the common sense to not be so lax as to enable the gun to end up in the hands of an 8 year old. IMO the owner of the gun should be charged. I know, I know the laws are different in WA, but that's how I see it.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:27 pm
 


There's more at play than the lax gun storage laws. If this could have been forseen, which it probably could, I think the parents can still be charged with criminal negligence, same if the kid had taken the gun and shot himself.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:40 pm
 


Brenda Brenda:
And the state should do something about their ridiculously lenient gun laws.


Why? Just to make you happy? Sorry, no.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:41 pm
 


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If this could have been forseen, which it probably could,


So we need a law requiring people to be clairvoyant? :roll:


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BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Brenda Brenda:
And the state should do something about their ridiculously lenient gun laws.


Why? Just to make you happy? Sorry, no.

No, to save a young child's life, who did nothing wrong.

Unlocked, not on safe-mode, and you think that is ok?

Whatever.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:47 pm
 


BartSimpson BartSimpson:
andyt andyt:
If this could have been forseen, which it probably could,


So we need a law requiring people to be clairvoyant? :roll:

When you have children, and you leave your guns up for grabs, that is not having to be clairvoyant, that is just fucking common sense.

Something that you, when it comes to guns, completely lack. WTF Bart.

You make sure that your kid can never touch your guns without you there. You make sure your guns are NEVER loaded and unlocked at ANY place where your kid can reach it.

Btw, parents usually are pretty clairvoyant. They know what kids can do. You have to be 5 steps ahead. Holy fuck.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:50 pm
 


This is a US issue killing off or wounding US kids. Not our part ship on how they run their country and frankly spouting off on it only invites their unwelcome comments on how we run our show.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:56 pm
 


Brenda Brenda:
Unlocked, not on safe-mode, and you think that is ok?


Yes. I do. The most useless thing in the world in a crisis is a locked, unloaded, and disassembled firearm.

Up until the 1960's it was extremely common in the USA for kids to have firearms safety classes in the public schools. Most high schools had rifle target teams and skeet shooting teams. Kids were taught firearms safety in the schools and they were also taught firearms safety at home.

Now those classes are gone because of idiots who are afraid of guns and the result is that ignorant and negligent kids get hurt and hurt others.

Bring back the firearms safety classes and you'll reduce the incidence of accidental injury by kids with firearms they don't understand.

One of the best and most effective programs is offered by the National Rifle Association at no cost to any school requesting it and that's the Eddie the Eagle program.

http://www.nrahq.org/safety/eddie/

The heart of this is teaching kids:

$1:
If you see a gun:
STOP!
Don't Touch.
Leave the Area.
Tell an Adult.


Amazingly there are people who absolutely do not want this simple information given to kids.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:59 pm
 


Works well, doesn't it.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:14 pm
 


Brenda Brenda:
When you have children, and you leave your guns up for grabs, that is not having to be clairvoyant, that is just fucking common sense.


I was raised with guns and I was told not to touch them. I didn't. My wife was raised with hundreds of guns and a veritable arsenal of other weapons and she and her brother were told not to touch them. And they didn't.

Seems to me the first concern would be parents raising well-behaved and obedient kids who do as they're told instead of being permissive asswipes who blame everyone else in the world for why their kids are such monsters.

Brenda Brenda:
Something that you, when it comes to guns, completely lack. WTF Bart.


You really know nothing about me at all. Thanks for playing.

Brenda Brenda:
You make sure that your kid can never touch your guns without you there. You make sure your guns are NEVER loaded and unlocked at ANY place where your kid can reach it.


Seems you have a problem with trusting your kid(s) to make good decisions if you have to go around securing everything because they'll harm themselves or others if you don't.

Brenda Brenda:
Btw, parents usually are pretty clairvoyant. They know what kids can do. You have to be 5 steps ahead. Holy fuck.


Quite the opposite, in my experience. I've seen no end of parents in my lifetime who will immediately rush to defend their little monster with cries of "He's a good boy!" when the little sh*t commits heinous crimes.

Even my own liberal, Utopian parents were clueless to the things I did as a kid. I could tell them to their faces the things I was doing and they refused to believe it. Frankly, after I was about 16 I stopped lying to them and I told them the absolute truth about what I was doing every day and they never believed it.

No sh*t, I was gone from the house two weeks before they realized I was serious that I was joing the Marines.

I see kids among my acquaintances who are drinking, smoking pot, whoring around, and bullying other kids and their parents are utterly and, IMHO, willfully oblivious to these facts and it is no longer surprising to me.

Then I have my friends and their kids are getting their Eagle Scout badges, being accepted into Ivy League schools on full scholarships, and etc. and then I've been out shooting with plenty of these kids and I have zero doubts about their judgment when they're handling a loaded weapon. ALL of these kids have better discipline at keeping their weapons tight than most police I know.

Bottom line is that if you raise good kids you can put them in a room full of hand grenades from floor to rafters and not worry about them.

You can also trust them out on a date, or to say no when someone hands them a beer or etc. and they're underage.

But if you can't trust your kids then I guess you need to run around the house putting locks on everything. At which point your kid is a lost cause anyway and passing some law that your kid won't care about is an exercise in futility that's just going to cause frustration for the people who know how to raise their kids right in the first place.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:17 pm
 


Gunnair Gunnair:
This is a US issue killing off or wounding US kids. Not our part ship on how they run their country and frankly spouting off on it only invites their unwelcome comments on how we run our show.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:19 pm
 


The kid is 8 years old Bart.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:20 pm
 


Brenda Brenda:
Works well, doesn't it.


Yes, it does.

$1:
Thanks to NRA safety training, fewer children die in gun accidents today than did 90 years ago, and America's accidental firearm fatality rates have fallen steadily for decades. But now, with the help of Eddie Eagle, that safety record is improving faster than ever before. From 1975 to 1993, accidental firearm fatalities among children age 14 and under dropped by 63%. In just one year, from 1991 to 1992 -- while Eddie Eagle reached out to almost a million more youngsters -- that rate fell 13%.


It's long stymied me that liberals who assert that sex education succeeds by equipping kids with information paradoxically believe that keeping those same kids ignorant of even the simplest concepts of firearms safety (Don't touch!) will keep them safe around guns.


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