[andyt]

Macguyver Macguyver:

How do they get the money at "hundreds of dollars a pill"?

And whatever, I'm all for FN's success, but if you chose to take oxycotin in the first place too fucking bad.

And if 2000 people are addicted and they all take 1 pill a day isn't someone missing 14,000 pills a week of oxycotin? Where does all this come from? Who's prescribing this stuff? If a pill is $100 a pop and they're collectively taking 14,000 a week that is a half a billion dollars a year. Something doesn't seem to add up here. Where do these addicts come up with half a billion a year to feed their habit?

I'd say the problem is probably overblown and the street price has been skewed by someone who paid $200 once for one pill and the media claims that is the street price all the time.

The bad news is these people are going to do anything to get a fix so chances are some innocent persons or their property will suffer.

The article says the pills are smuggled in - these are black market pills. As the story also says, only 100 people are actually registered as being prescribed the stuff.

But that was my first thought too - where's the money come from to pay for these pills. It's not as if natives in poor reserves can turn to hooking and stealing to get that money, because there isn't enough of an economy there to do that in. I think it's further proof that natives cry poor but actually get a lot of money from the govt. That's even true with booze, it's going to cost a lot in reserve, yet plenty of them find the bucks to get pissed all the time. Probably use money that should be going for education and housing.

[andyt]

$1:

NAN estimates that at least 10,000 people living on reserves are addicted to OxyContin

$100/pill x 10,000 = $1 million a day (probably more). Where does that money come from?

As Regina said - just ship em all the methadone they can use.

[Yogi]

andyt andyt:

$1:

NAN estimates that at least 10,000 people living on reserves are addicted to OxyContin

$100/pill x 10,000 = $1 million a day (probably more). Where does that money come from?

As Regina said - just ship em all the methadone they can use.

And guns! Lottsa guns n ammo.

[Macguyver]

andyt andyt:

Probably use money that should be going for education and housing.

I agree with the rest of the post Andy, but the last sentence is bullshit. There is no way someone is taking band funding to buy scads of pills for druggies. Every band is audited every year, sometimes more...you can't hide 500 million dollars worth of band funding yearly.

I suggest that pills are brought in bulk and sold for $5 or 10 a pill. People ate thieving or spenging all $250 of their welfare on pills or something.

I'm sure the drug company likes the business.

[Regina]

andyt andyt:

$1:

NAN estimates that at least 10,000 people living on reserves are addicted to OxyContin

$100/pill x 10,000 = $1 million a day (probably more). Where does that money come from?

As Regina said - just ship em all the methadone they can use.

Well it's not quite that easy. Methadone is a controlled drug and needs to be prescribed by a doctor and dispensed by a pharmacist. But if that's what is required, it can be made available to them. Very difficult to dispense to those in remote reserves though. From my understanding of this, is that those in charge on the reserves who are making sure the dose is given.......don't tend to do a very good job.

[Regina]

Macguyver Macguyver:

andyt andyt:

Probably use money that should be going for education and housing.

I agree with the rest of the post Andy, but the last sentence is bullshit. There is no way someone is taking band funding to buy scads of pills for druggies. Every band is audited every year, sometimes more...you can't hide 500 million dollars worth of band funding yearly.

I suggest that pills are brought in bulk and sold for $5 or 10 a pill. People ate thieving or spenging all $250 of their welfare on pills or something.

I'm sure the drug company likes the business.

I'm calling bull shit................
http://www.tbnewswatch.com/news/7424/An ... fraud-case

[andyt]

Macguyver Macguyver:

andyt andyt:

Probably use money that should be going for education and housing.

I agree with the rest of the post Andy, but the last sentence is bullshit. There is no way someone is taking band funding to buy scads of pills for druggies. Every band is audited every year, sometimes more...you can't hide 500 million dollars worth of band funding yearly.

I suggest that pills are brought in bulk and sold for $5 or 10 a pill. People ate thieving or spenging all $250 of their welfare on pills or something.

I'm sure the drug company likes the business.

In the US: The cost in $$ of OxyContin® on the streets:
Strength ~ Retail Price ~ Street Price1

10mg ~ $1.25 ~ $5 to $10
20mg ~ $2.30 ~ $10 to $20
40mg ~ $4.00 ~ $25 to $40
80mg ~ $6.00 ~ $65 to $80

I'm sure it costs a lot more on a reserve. I have no idea how much people take in a day tho.

But again - if all the person is getting is welfare, they wouldn't have a lot to spend on drugs, and they must be getting enough food etc to stay alive. So they're not "spending their $250 a month welfare money on drugs." They'd all be dead from starvation in the first month.

So there's a lot of money flowing to these supposedly poor people that's not accounted for, or they're getting more money than they want to admit. In Vancouver there's no way a welfare person can be a druggie and survive on welfare alone. They're doing crimes of some sort to maintain the habit. Hell, you can't be much of an alkie on welfare alone.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

andyt andyt:

Macguyver Macguyver:

andyt andyt:

Probably use money that should be going for education and housing.

I agree with the rest of the post Andy, but the last sentence is bullshit. There is no way someone is taking band funding to buy scads of pills for druggies. Every band is audited every year, sometimes more...you can't hide 500 million dollars worth of band funding yearly.

I suggest that pills are brought in bulk and sold for $5 or 10 a pill. People ate thieving or spenging all $250 of their welfare on pills or something.

I'm sure the drug company likes the business.

In the US: The cost in $$ of OxyContin® on the streets:
Strength ~ Retail Price ~ Street Price1

10mg ~ $1.25 ~ $5 to $10
20mg ~ $2.30 ~ $10 to $20
40mg ~ $4.00 ~ $25 to $40
80mg ~ $6.00 ~ $65 to $80

I'm sure it costs a lot more on a reserve. I have no idea how much people take in a day tho.

But again - if all the person is getting is welfare, they wouldn't have a lot to spend on drugs, and they must be getting enough food etc to stay alive. So they're not "spending their $250 a month welfare money on drugs." They'd all be dead from starvation in the first month.

So there's a lot of money flowing to these supposedly poor people that's not accounted for, or they're getting more money than they want to admit. In Vancouver there's no way a welfare person can be a druggie and survive on welfare alone. They're doing crimes of some sort to maintain the habit. Hell, you can't be much of an alkie on welfare alone.

Oxy's are dirt cheap in the US. If I wanted to, I could get a script for Oxy 80s and know for a fact I can sell them for a minimum of $200 a pop where I live.
Using US prices is a real bad metric. Even crap like crack is way cheaper in the US than Canada.

[andyt]

Regina Regina:

andyt andyt:

$1:

NAN estimates that at least 10,000 people living on reserves are addicted to OxyContin

$100/pill x 10,000 = $1 million a day (probably more). Where does that money come from?

As Regina said - just ship em all the methadone they can use.

Well it's not quite that easy. Methadone is a controlled drug and needs to be prescribed by a doctor and dispensed by a pharmacist. But if that's what is required, it can be made available to them. Very difficult to dispense to those in remote reserves though. From my understanding of this, is that those in charge on the reserves who are making sure the dose is given.......don't tend to do a very good job.

I was being flippant. But rather than methadone, this is a good argument for heroin maintenance (or actually the already legal drug that was found to work just as well - name escapes me). Methadone won't get them high, so they'll do other shit instead. But a regulated source of drugs would at least reduce harm -because these people are going to get high one way or the other. Beats sniffing gasoline.

[Regina]

andyt andyt:

But again - if all the person is getting is welfare, they wouldn't have a lot to spend on drugs, and they must be getting enough food etc to stay alive. So they're not "spending their $250 a month welfare money on drugs." They'd all be dead from starvation in the first month.

So there's a lot of money flowing to these supposedly poor people that's not accounted for, or they're getting more money than they want to admit. In Vancouver there's no way a welfare person can be a druggie and survive on welfare alone. They're doing crimes of some sort to maintain the habit. Hell, you can't be much of an alkie on welfare alone.

Maybe they depend on traditional hunting and fishing practices to feed themselves.

[Brenda]

Regina Regina:

andyt andyt:

But again - if all the person is getting is welfare, they wouldn't have a lot to spend on drugs, and they must be getting enough food etc to stay alive. So they're not "spending their $250 a month welfare money on drugs." They'd all be dead from starvation in the first month.

So there's a lot of money flowing to these supposedly poor people that's not accounted for, or they're getting more money than they want to admit. In Vancouver there's no way a welfare person can be a druggie and survive on welfare alone. They're doing crimes of some sort to maintain the habit. Hell, you can't be much of an alkie on welfare alone.

Maybe they depend on traditional hunting and fishing practices to feed themselves.

That's work...

[andyt]

It's also very difficult, especially whacked out on drugs. If pre-contact natives had had access to oxycontin, we would have found an empty continent when we got here. But he was just being facetious.

[Regina]

Yes, I was being facetious but it's something they seem quick to point out when someone wants to dig a hole in the bush.

[Macguyver]

Regina Regina:

Macguyver Macguyver:

andyt andyt:

Probably use money that should be going for education and housing.

I agree with the rest of the post Andy, but the last sentence is bullshit. There is no way someone is taking band funding to buy scads of pills for druggies. Every band is audited every year, sometimes more...you can't hide 500 million dollars worth of band funding yearly.

I suggest that pills are brought in bulk and sold for $5 or 10 a pill. People ate thieving or spenging all $250 of their welfare on pills or something.

I'm sure the drug company likes the business.

I'm calling bull shit................
http://www.tbnewswatch.com/news/7424/An ... fraud-case

Huh? Where's the other 499 million $ and like I said, it could not be hid.

[Macguyver]

andyt andyt:

So there's a lot of money flowing to these supposedly poor people that's not accounted for, or they're getting more money than they want to admit. In Vancouver there's no way a welfare person can be a druggie and survive on welfare alone. They're doing crimes of some sort to maintain the habit. Hell, you can't be much of an alkie on welfare alone.

Exactly...so where is this money coming from? Like there can only be so many places to loot and rob and pawn. Something does not make sense where do we find $500 million for these people to do drugs? Even if they stole all of it from their band you have 2000 people involved in massive fraud and do you think they're smart enough to steal $500 million dollars a year, year after year?

Or even 1/10th of that. So what gives? Even at $10 a pill its 7 or 8 million a year if each of those 2000 people gets one pill a day. Am I missing a step here? It just does not sound logical that that many people are paying street prices for Oxycotin unless money is growning on trees in Ontario. And you can bet if it were the Natives would be relocated to an area less dense in those types of trees.