[hillboy]

War will always do harm. To whatever side. I don't think it need to be taken serious. Its a fact that barking dogs dont bite.

[jeff744]

hillboy hillboy:

War will always do harm. To whatever side. I don't think it need to be taken serious. Its a fact that barking dogs dont bite.

I'm pretty sure Iran is quite serious, if the US and Israel don't smarten up and back off a bit Iran very well may get violent. You can only do so much to a nation before violence become the only answer they have left, sadly Israel and the US are steadily pushing Iran to that point.

[ShepherdsDog]

You need to read a little more history Jeff. Why do you think Israel would contemplate preemptive strikes against Iran(review it's first 20 years as a state)? In the Ayatollah's own words, the Iranians have been supporting and arming Hezbollah and Hamas, and have referred to Israel as a tumour that needs to be removed. They've also declared that they will continue to aid any and all who attack Israel. Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that 'they' aren't really out to get you.

[jeff744]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

You need to read a little more history Jeff. Why do you think Israel would contemplate preemptive strikes against Iran(review it's first 20 years as a state)? In the Ayatollah's own words, the Iranians have been supporting and arming Hezbollah and Hamas, and have referred to Israel as a tumour that needs to be removed. They've also declared that they will continue to aid any and all who attack Israel. Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that 'they' aren't really out to get you.

Why do you think Iran wants to remove Israel? Until the US (and UK) fucked them over Iran was on the fast track to turning into a socialist country. Once they finally got free the US and Israel branded them as bad guys and ever since then it has been a blame game where all Iran can hope to do is threaten Israel once and a while. At the same time you want to leave Iran as nothing more than a puppet country that only thinks about how to send more oil to the American machine. Iran supports terror groups and yet terror groups that attack Iran owe their existence to the US, at the same time Israel launches their own cyber and assassination attacks, basically the terror attacks for people that are in line with American views so they don't have to fear repercussions. Israel has done absolutely nothing to lessen the Iranian anger and instead has gone out of its way to encourage it along with the US and yet somehow it is Iran's fault that they are mad people are out to destroy them, the US is just doesn't say it out loud.

You view it as all Iran's fault for everything related to the current crisis and defend the only side that has never shown even a micron of willingness to compromise. The real criminals are the ones that seem determined to make Iran finally fight back.

[rickc]

The U.S. has had a trade embargo with Iran since 1995. We import no oil from Iran.

[Thanos]

The Mossadegh removal was in 1953. The Iranian revolution was in 1977. It's been over thirty-five years since the US has any control over Iran, so it might behoove the Iranians to knock it off with using ancient (and increasingly irrelevant) history as a justification for their own belligerence and radicalism.

[PostFactum]

As always

[PublicAnimalNo9]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Time to buy oil sands stocks.

Don't let purina see that. He'll accuse you of being in on the murder of 300,000 people a year

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

Difficult situation. We want to support Israel as the only outpost of civilization in the region, but they keep acting like shitiots. There's a good chance they're going to drag the US into another war, and of course we'll go right along for the ride. I don't think this will turn out well.

If Iran hit Tel Aviv and Haifa with nuclear weapons then the Israeli Mutually Assured Destruction policy (which is not much of a secret) is that they will in turn launch a nuclear missile at each of 214 Muslim population centers.

That's a sound policy, too.

Despite my disdain for Islam I do not want to see them obliterated as a result of their own stupidity and penchant for violence. It's far better that Israel should deny Iran a nuclear capability than that Iran should use a nuke on Israel and then cost 1.5 billion Muslims their lives. <-- That is most definitely NOT an exaggeration.

[FieryVulpine]

Thanos Thanos:

The Mossadegh removal was in 1953. The Iranian revolution was in 1977. It's been over thirty-five years since the US has any control over Iran, so it might behoove the Iranians to knock it off with using ancient (and increasingly irrelevant) history as a justification for their own belligerence and radicalism.

Just a minor nitpick, it was 1979 and not 1977.

[BartSimpson]

True. Nice catch.

[CDN_PATRIOT]

hillboy hillboy:

I don't think it need to be taken serious. Its a fact that barking dogs dont bite.

This all needs to be taken very seriously, as it has the potential to involve many and spiral into something far worse than we might think. Capiche?

-J.

[GreenTiger]

CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:

hillboy hillboy:

I don't think it need to be taken serious. Its a fact that barking dogs dont bite.

This all needs to be taken very seriously, as it has the potential to involve many and spiral into something far worse than we might think. Capiche?

-J.

This could become as much of a mess as WW I.

[bootlegga]

andyt andyt:

Difficult situation. We want to support Israel as the only outpost of civilization in the region, but they keep acting like shitiots. There's a good chance they're going to drag the US into another war, and of course we'll go right along for the ride. I don't think this will turn out well.

Yeah, if Harper had had his way, we'd have been in Iraq, so I don't doubt that he'd be more than willing to send us to Iran if it happens while he's in office.

Honestly, I don't have a problem going into Iran if it is a true international effort, but if it's another 'coalition of the willing', coupled with bogus niger yellow cake et al that Dubya used to justify Iraq, then I'm deadset against it.

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

If Iran hit Tel Aviv and Haifa with nuclear weapons then the Israeli Mutually Assured Destruction policy (which is not much of a secret) is that they will in turn launch a nuclear missile at each of 214 Muslim population centers.

That's a sound policy, too.

Despite my disdain for Islam I do not want to see them obliterated as a result of their own stupidity and penchant for violence. It's far better that Israel should deny Iran a nuclear capability than that Iran should use a nuke on Israel and then cost 1.5 billion Muslims their lives. <-- That is most definitely NOT an exaggeration.

True, but most of Israel's enemies already have IRBMs loaded with nerve gas and/or poison gas, so if the balloon ever goes up in that way, the entire Middle East will be a desolate place for decades.

I don't think that any of the crazies in the ME want that, and my best guess is that they look at nukes almost solely as a method of keeping the US off their backs. Just look at North Korea - they are believed to have nukes and there is ZERO talk of bombing or invading them. Instead China 'talks' to them on our behalf and the US, Japan and the West send them aid to prevent most people there from starving.

[ShepherdsDog]

There's also the significance of Jerusalem to the Muslim world. Something that most here can't really appreciate, having never been to Israel(and knowing SFA about the reality of the place), is just how small it is. Israel is tiny. I've walked from Jerusalem to Bethlehem(Arab occupied Judea) and back to kill part of an afternoon. You can easily ride a bicycle from Jerusalem to Tel Aviv in a few hours. Anything done to the Israelis will also be done to millions of Arabs(...citizens and squatters), Christian and Muslim both. The Israelis jokingly keep their eyes on masses of Arabs hurrying away from the borders.