[RUEZ]

CanadianJeff CanadianJeff:

But if that's the case wouldn't we have to truck it from Texas all over the states anyway?

What's closer to the market Alberta or Texas?

[Bruce_E_T]

CanadianJeff CanadianJeff:

But if that's the case wouldn't we have to truck it from Texas all over the states anyway?

It would not be all over the states just Texas and nearby markets. It would be an "as convenient as possible" source much better than Alberta or any other Canadian location.

[saturn_656]

Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:

IGA IGA:

How about building a line east so Canada does'nt have to import oil from the middle east. Then all the jobs would be in Canada. I read recently that Canada imports 750,000 barrels of oil a day. Keystone was to ship 800,000 barrels a day to Texas. Am I missing something?

Ever hear of the Canadian Shield ? that's why.

Where the soil isn't deep enough to bury the pipe, you simply blast the rock.

That's what the folks installing the natural gas pipeline did this summer.

[Bruce_E_T]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Where the soil isn't deep enough to bury the pipe, you simply blast the rock.

That's what the folks installing the natural gas pipeline did this summer.

I am not sure what the story is here. There seem to be gas pipelines in North ON but no oil pipelines.

The lack of pipeline East of Montreal may also be a lack of finances or political problems but I don't think it is a physical one.

[Proculation]

This stupid decision is also a 'moral hazard'. This will boost significantly the socialist 'environmentalists' moral and they will think more than ever that if you put enough energy in confrontations, you can stop any project.

[GreenTiger]

Proculation Proculation:

This stupid decision is also a 'moral hazard'. This will boost significantly the socialist 'environmentalists' moral and they will think more than ever that if you put enough energy in confrontations, you can stop any project.

Yes, this Moronic decision is terrible in a lot of ways, Barry screwed the pooch on this one.

[DrCaleb]

GreenTiger GreenTiger:

Proculation Proculation:

This stupid decision is also a 'moral hazard'. This will boost significantly the socialist 'environmentalists' moral and they will think more than ever that if you put enough energy in confrontations, you can stop any project.

Yes, this Moronic decision is terrible in a lot of ways, Barry screwed the pooch on this one.

I don't believe he did.

The environmental assessment wasn't complete; plenty of stakeholders had unanswered questions and the amendment to a tax law bill that forced him to make a decision one way or the other in 60 days forced him to err on the side of caution and kill it.

The Republocrats screwed the pooch. They got what they wanted; a non-issue to rally around for their Presidential gongshow contestents.

[Bruce_E_T]

Proculation Proculation:

This stupid decision is also a 'moral hazard'. This will boost significantly the socialist 'environmentalists' moral and they will think more than ever that if you put enough energy in confrontations, you can stop any project.

I do not think it is a stupid political decision on Obama's part. Faced with a decision between rushing into a faulty. environmentally dangerous plan or putting everything on hold until the issues are worked out he has chosen the latter.

I figure that the pipeline will be built eventually although on a modified route. I have my doubts about the impact of environmentalists in the big picture and would call this a temporary victory.

I know these people are annoying but I think their influence is as modifiers rather than initiators.

[andyt]

I just hope it pushes us into building a pipeline to the west coast. We should be doing that, Keystone or no.

[Thanos]

Nebraska didn't have their own paperwork in order after they rejected the original route. The State Department refused to approve based on the fact that Nebraska's own approval of any new routing hasn't been finalized.

I'm getting tired of the knee-jerk nonsense surrounding this issue, especially when it comes to slandering a President who's actually doing his job by ensuring that all the proper state and federal regulatory procedures have been followed. Less than two years ago, thanks almost entirely to the "rush-rush-rush!" mentality of oil industry corporate executives, the Deepwater Horizon blew up. It killed 11 workers, contaminated a massive chunk of the Gulf Of Mexico, destroyed the local fishing economy along the Gulf coast, and cost both BP and the US government billions of dollars in lost profit and clean-up. It's likely that the pipeline construction on the US side of the border, thanks to an endemic attitude of disrespect towards the construction trades in America (especially in the oil industry), is going to be as haphazard, roughshod, and shitty as one can imagine. If the pipeline leaks in Nebraska along the original route it would contaminate a major aquifer, affecting millions of people and damaging hundreds of thousands of acres of prime farmland. Given all of this recent history how did a "better safe than sorry" approach to the construction of this pipeline become such a sin?

Jesus fucking Christ, people. Quit listening to clowns and assholes like Ezra Levant and Sean Hannity about issues like this and use your own goddamn brains for a change. Seriously, what the fuck is it that you actually want done anyway?

[GreenTiger]

The Knee Jerk reaction is that for a whole host of reason I would rather purchase oil from Canada than from the ME. I believe it would be a good arrangement for all involved.

Yes, there are concerns but those can be dealt with, we can deal with them and do it.

[peck420]

Thanos,

That may be well and true, but...

Obama could have easily said, "start at the bottom until we get Nebraska's paper work in order". Just the extension from Oklahoma to Texas is valuable.

Of course, the Republican's didn't make it easy, they just 'had' to include that stupid deadline...

There was multiple better options than just "no", but partisanship and electoral posturing took precedent.

[DrCaleb]

peck420 peck420:

Thanos,

That may be well and true, but...

Obama could have easily said, "start at the bottom until we get Nebraska's paper work in order". Just the extension from Oklahoma to Texas is valuable.

Of course, the Republican's didn't make it easy, they just 'had' to include that stupid deadline...

There was multiple better options than just "no", but partisanship and electoral posturing took precedent.

From the rublmings I've heard, the pipe from OK to TX is already in the digging stages for the most part. Pipe is being laid along the trench.

It won't be able to ship oil, but pipe laying in a staging yard isn't making anyone money.

[PimpBrewski123]

There is a simple solution to this.

Canada should declare war on the U.S.

Then once Canada effortlessly conquers and defeats the Americans, then it should be easy to go ahead with the project.

[Bruce_E_T]

PimpBrewski123 PimpBrewski123:

There is a simple solution to this.

Canada should declare war on the U.S.

Then once Canada effortlessly conquers and defeats the Americans, then it should be easy to go ahead with the project.

Two minute penalty for delay of game.