[Regina]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

It isn't just the drug companies, it's the doctors prescribing this crap whithout even looking the stuff up on the internet that are just as much to blame.

I've found neat things about some of the crap I'm taking. One drug along with the myriad of liver, colon, brain, bone or skin problems that are on all the warning labels can cause irratibility and agression which the doctor never mentioned. If it was my guess I'd say he doesn't know or doesn't care. Yet, there was a clinical study done on it in 04 which was widely published by an extremely reputable medical journal.

Another drug causes, heart arhythmia, and when researched on google, the American heart and lung association stated that this drug should not be considered a safe alternative for previously prescribed drugs. Once again the good doctor failed to tell me anything about this. Never took the crap thank god.

My guess is that they're either trying to kill all us older people off, they're being paid off by big pharmacuticals, or they're just to fucking stupid or lazy to actually be able to use google before they poison their patients.

It's anyones guess.

That's why if you're in doubt about a medicine, it's dosage or interaction with others you are taking, talk to your pharmacist. Get your information from a healthcare professional and not the internet, then go back to your doctor armed with facts. Telling your doctor what you found on the internet should get you a good old fashion eye roll. Telling him what the pharmacist recommends or commented on may make him a bit pissy, but at least he knows someone else is looking out for you and will step in.

[ShepherdsDog]

Many of the 'wonder' drugs being marketed are essentially still in the testing stage. They show promise for some people and they are rushed through because the pharmacorps know they're going to make a killing ...before long term effects are known.

[andyt]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

It isn't just the drug companies, it's the doctors prescribing this crap whithout even looking the stuff up on the internet that are just as much to blame.

I've found neat things about some of the crap I'm taking. One drug along with the myriad of liver, colon, brain, bone or skin problems that are on all the warning labels can cause irratibility and agression which the doctor never mentioned. If it was my guess I'd say he doesn't know or doesn't care. Yet, there was a clinical study done on it in 04 which was widely published by an extremely reputable medical journal.

Another drug causes, heart arhythmia, and when researched on google, the American heart and lung association stated that this drug should not be considered a safe alternative for previously prescribed drugs. Once again the good doctor failed to tell me anything about this. Never took the crap thank god.

My guess is that they're either trying to kill all us older people off, they're being paid off by big pharmacuticals, or they're just to fucking stupid or lazy to actually be able to use google before they poison their patients.

It's anyones guess.

Don't take them. A lot of the time they cause more problems than they solve.

[Freakinoldguy]

andyt andyt:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

It isn't just the drug companies, it's the doctors prescribing this crap whithout even looking the stuff up on the internet that are just as much to blame.

I've found neat things about some of the crap I'm taking. One drug along with the myriad of liver, colon, brain, bone or skin problems that are on all the warning labels can cause irratibility and agression which the doctor never mentioned. If it was my guess I'd say he doesn't know or doesn't care. Yet, there was a clinical study done on it in 04 which was widely published by an extremely reputable medical journal.

Another drug causes, heart arhythmia, and when researched on google, the American heart and lung association stated that this drug should not be considered a safe alternative for previously prescribed drugs. Once again the good doctor failed to tell me anything about this. Never took the crap thank god.

My guess is that they're either trying to kill all us older people off, they're being paid off by big pharmacuticals, or they're just to fucking stupid or lazy to actually be able to use google before they poison their patients.

It's anyones guess.

Don't take them. A lot of the time they cause more problems than they solve.

If you read the post you guys would have noticed that I didn't. He may not like it but I'm getting tired of his cliche line that you can't believe what you read on the internet, even though one site was a world renowned medical journal and the other a well respected non profit organization.

Another thing I found odd was every prescription he gave me was made by Astra Zeneca

I guess some doctors don't like to be proven wrong or corrected. Alot of them still seem to be holding onto that 1950's belief that they're gods, which, they aren't even close.

Now don't get me wrong I've gone to good doctors and bad doctors, mostly because in the Navy you didn't have a family doctor, but by and large most of them don't seem to be the least concerned about their patients and just rush you through faster than a McDonalds burger through a colon.

So like I said before it isn't just big pharmacutical that's to blame for this crisis, they apparenlty have willing accomplices.

If anyones interested here's a website that rates MD's so you can see what other people think of your doctor.

http://www.ratemds.com/

[andyt]

Absolutely. Mostly as you say they want to rush you thru, and most people feel the doc's done something for them if he gives them a prescription. So even patients are willing accomplices.

[Freakinoldguy]

Yup, but being laymen when it comes to medicine we should be able to trust the doctors to have our well being at heart, which I'm sure most of them do.

It's just their lack of knowledge about what they're prescribing and complete willingness to believe whatever some greasy pharmacutical salesman tells them that scares me.

[andyt]

Totally agree.

[ShepherdsDog]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Yup, but being laymen when it comes to medicine we should be able to trust the doctors to have our well being at heart, which I'm sure most of them do.

It's just their lack of knowledge about what they're prescribing and complete willingness to believe whatever some greasy pharmacutical salesman tells them that scares me.

An average mechanic understands how to fix cars. However, they aren't engineers and can't usually design them. Most doctors are just more informed about drugs than laymen, due to their schooling, but they aren't experts on the effects(both side effects and long term effects)....and many won't admit it. They are as susceptible to pharmacorps marketing lines as the rest of us are.

I suffered due to my neurologists ignorance about an SSRI I was taking to treat a neuropathy. It did SFA for me and when I tried to stop cold turkey....major freaking withdrawl, which they tried to brush off as inconsequential.

[Regina]

100% of the doctors don't want to see the drug reps and couldn't give them the time of day. I've heard tons of stories over the years of the lengths they go to duck out on them and they think it's funny. Most consult with colleagues about what "they're doing" and how they do it, without properly understanding dosage, application, etc. You have others who have passed their patient on to a specialist then see what they've prescribed and start prescribing that too.......again without a full understanding. There are also the money grubbers who will do anything to make a buck. They're the ones who prescribe their patient something and tell them they're in a "study" for the drug. That's total bullshit! The doctor is getting a small "honorarium" from that company. If you were truly in a study the drugs would be free and it wouldn't be some bum fuck doctor from Backwoods, Canada doing it. This happened to my mom for high blood pressure. Not that there was anything wrong with the medicine, because it is actually working fine............but it made me want to go down to his office and punch him in the throat.

[Freakinoldguy]

Welcome to the world of medicine and pharmaceuticals. Stories like these aren't uncommon and seem to be more prevalent when the age of the patient increases. I guess they figure anyone over 50 hasn't heard of the internet, doesn't know how to use it, or can't read.

It's pretty fekin sad when you have to school a physician with years of medical experience about the drugs he's prescribing for you. It shows that there's a major breakdown in the system.

Maybe the Goverment should make it mandatory that they actually read and keep up to date those pharmaceutical manuals they always blatently leave sitting on their shelves, to impress we ignorant peasants.

[Bruce_E_T]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

It's pretty fekin sad when you have to school a physician with years of medical experience about the drugs he's prescribing for you. It shows that there's a major breakdown in the system.

I think that the Internet and patient access to up to date information has caused some serious glitches in the medical system. If you are a patient prescribed a particular medication it is relatively easy to track down the goods but if you are a MD doling out prescriptions left and right keeping up to date may be pretty well impossible.

If you are dealing with a piecework type system where income relies on putting patients through the turnstiles there is likely great reluctance to spend work time on research that results in no compensation. Given that Drug companies are prone to glorify their own products a little it leaves both patient and MD in a bit of a bind.

At least doing your own research gives you a jump on the game which frankly a great number of people do not have.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Regina Regina:

100% of the doctors don't want to see the drug reps and couldn't give them the time of day. I've heard tons of stories over the years of the lengths they go to duck out on them and they think it's funny. Most consult with colleagues about what "they're doing" and how they do it, without properly understanding dosage, application, etc. You have others who have passed their patient on to a specialist then see what they've prescribed and start prescribing that too.......again without a full understanding. There are also the money grubbers who will do anything to make a buck. They're the ones who prescribe their patient something and tell them they're in a "study" for the drug. That's total bullshit! The doctor is getting a small "honorarium" from that company. If you were truly in a study the drugs would be free and it wouldn't be some bum fuck doctor from Backwoods, Canada doing it. This happened to my mom for high blood pressure. Not that there was anything wrong with the medicine, because it is actually working fine............but it made me want to go down to his office and punch him in the throat.

Years ago shortly after I moved to Cambridge, I went to the doctor to give me something to either help me sleep and/or help with the back pain. The fucking idiot gave me amitriptyline!!! That shit is an anti-depressant, not pain or sleep meds, and it ain't something you prescribe to someone that doesn't need it! Man, I woke the next morning and I was in worse shape than ever. I was a mess, I could barely see, even my hair hurt.
Found out later he was banned from the Hospital. He wasn't even allowed to visit his patients there.
Not really sure how he held on to his medical licence.

[ShepherdsDog]

Actually what he gave you is something that is prescribed quite frequently for those who suffer from chronic pain. I've been prescribed it, tegretol(an anti convulsant for epileptics) and an SSRI for neuropathic pain. None of them worked for me, but they have worked for other people. The dosage is different than what is given for their primary uses. Amitriptyline is also given for sleep disorders. This is the same principle behind giving meth(ritalin) to hyper kids

[Freakinoldguy]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Regina Regina:

100% of the doctors don't want to see the drug reps and couldn't give them the time of day. I've heard tons of stories over the years of the lengths they go to duck out on them and they think it's funny. Most consult with colleagues about what "they're doing" and how they do it, without properly understanding dosage, application, etc. You have others who have passed their patient on to a specialist then see what they've prescribed and start prescribing that too.......again without a full understanding. There are also the money grubbers who will do anything to make a buck. They're the ones who prescribe their patient something and tell them they're in a "study" for the drug. That's total bullshit! The doctor is getting a small "honorarium" from that company. If you were truly in a study the drugs would be free and it wouldn't be some bum fuck doctor from Backwoods, Canada doing it. This happened to my mom for high blood pressure. Not that there was anything wrong with the medicine, because it is actually working fine............but it made me want to go down to his office and punch him in the throat.

Years ago shortly after I moved to Cambridge, I went to the doctor to give me something to either help me sleep and/or help with the back pain. The fucking idiot gave me amitriptyline!!! That shit is an anti-depressant, not pain or sleep meds, and it ain't something you prescribe to someone that doesn't need it! Man, I woke the next morning and I was in worse shape than ever. I was a mess, I could barely see, even my hair hurt.
Found out later he was banned from the Hospital. He wasn't even allowed to visit his patients there.
Not really sure how he held on to his medical licence.

I went in for a prescription renewal of arthrotec for my shoulder and back and he handed me a prescription for the Rush Limbaugh drug.......oxycontin. He then got all shitty when I told him the crap was one of the most addictive synthetic opiates on the street and he'd have to cram it down my throat before he'd ever get me to take it.

Had I not known this, my post would likely have been incohorent..............or at least more incoherent than my normal posts.

Although in fairness to him he did prescribe the oxy so it wouldn't upset my stomach like arthrotec did.

So now all I take is a couple of T3's when I need them, it doesn't kill the pain completely but it takes the edge off, which in the long run is better than being strung out on some synthetic opiate.

So as far as I'm concerned if you as a doctor don't know what the fuck a drugs does, don't prescribe it until you can safely do so. If not you may be killing your patients with good intentions.

[andyt]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

I went in for a prescription renewal of arthrotec for my shoulder and back and he handed me a prescription for the Rush Limbaugh drug.......oxycontin. He then got all shitty when I told him the crap was one of the most addictive synthetic opiates on the street and he'd have to cram it down my throat before he'd ever get me to take it.

Had I not known this, my post would likely have been incohorent..............or at least more incoherent than my normal posts.

Although in fairness to him he did prescribe the oxy so it wouldn't upset my stomach like arthrotec did.

So now all I take is a couple of T3's when I need them, it doesn't kill the pain completely but it takes the edge off, which in the long run is better than being strung out on some synthetic opiate.

So as far as I'm concerned if you as a doctor don't know what the fuck a drugs does, don't prescribe it until you can safely do so. If not you may be killing your patients with good intentions.

Is this for arthritis? I have it in my shoulder. Sam-e seemed to work very well for it. It's also taken by people as an anti-depressant. (No presription, it's a supplement) Unfortunately the side effects were too strong for me - some stomach up set, but mostly feeling kind of out of it. But many people take it with good effect, so you might be able to as well. It's not cheap tho.

I've been taking something called Recovery from Purica (a little Duncan firm) it seems to have helped quite a bit. I can sleep thru the night and mostly have no pain unless I move my arm in a certain way. Also tumeric capsules are a good natural anti-inflammatory. Make sure they also contain pepper/cayenne because it increases the absorbtion of the turmeric a lot.

You could google all this stuff to see what you think.

For me, the doc just said take aspirin, as if I'm going to eat aspirin every day for the rest of my life.

I guess this isn't for you, but supposedly many people who have medical pot prescriptions have it for arthritis.