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andyt
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:27 am
It doesn't actually say he was doing it for free. But maybe this is a tight-knit neighborhood where doing for others gets you the reward of being well thought of - what 15 yr old wouldn't like that, given the opportunity.
I'm sure dad was putting the most positive spin on his kid. Maybe dad is even getting set to launch a lawsuit. But the superintendent also said there were no problems - I believe him more than dad.
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Brenda
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:36 am
andyt andyt: It doesn't actually say he was doing it for free. But maybe this is a tight-knit neighborhood where doing for others gets you the reward of being well thought of - what 15 yr old wouldn't like that, given the opportunity.
I'm sure dad was putting the most positive spin on his kid. Maybe dad is even getting set to launch a lawsuit. But the superintendent also said there were no problems - I believe him more than dad. Me too. He's not biased. Dad is. Nowadays, I don't think any 15 year old cares how they are being thought of by the "old farts" in the neighbourhood. What they want is iPods and iPhones. I'm not saying this was a bad kid. I am saying this kid made a bad decision, and I think it is a shame. I blame the "toy"-industry more than anyone else.
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andyt
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:41 am
I can't really blame anybody here. I had a pellet rifle when I was a kid. If we want pellet and toy guns to not be mistaken for the real thing, we should enact laws that do more than paint the ends pink. But cops have mistaken cell phones and what have you for guns, so I doubt making toys less realistic would accomplish all that much.
I blame society, man. We've created a very crazy, high pressure, materialistic life, and this is the outcome.
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:55 am
I'm pretty sure air guns are not marked as toys because they're guns that can still inflict quite a bit of damage.
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OnTheIce 
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:44 am
Brenda Brenda: andyt andyt: It doesn't actually say he was doing it for free. But maybe this is a tight-knit neighborhood where doing for others gets you the reward of being well thought of - what 15 yr old wouldn't like that, given the opportunity.
I'm sure dad was putting the most positive spin on his kid. Maybe dad is even getting set to launch a lawsuit. But the superintendent also said there were no problems - I believe him more than dad. Me too. He's not biased. Dad is. Nowadays, I don't think any 15 year old cares how they are being thought of by the "old farts" in the neighbourhood. What they want is iPods and iPhones. I'm not saying this was a bad kid. I am saying this kid made a bad decision, and I think it is a shame. I blame the "toy"-industry more than anyone else. Pellet guns aren't marketed as toys. Blame falls on the child and the parents. Mom and dad should be doing some internal reflection, not trying to pick a fight with the cops.
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:55 am
andyt andyt: Regina Regina: Definitely had social or mental issues. Fifteen years old in Grade eight and sucker punches another student then pulls out what appears to be a gun. Suicide by proxy....... $1: Superintendent Carl Montoya remembered Gonzalez as "a very positive young man."
"He did music. He worked well with everybody. Just something unfortunately happened today that caused his behaviour to go the way it went. So I don't know."
Doesn't even sound like he was all that mental. Maybe not the brightest student, but not some sociopathic bully. Just another one of those inexplicable going off the rails. It might be suicide by proxy. Or it's like that Michael Douglas movie, forget the name. This is bad for everybody. I'm sure the shooters feel like shit, the family lost their kid, and everybody in the school feels less safe. Yes both the parents and the shooters will be in a mental hell for the rest of their lives.
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:03 pm
Tricks Tricks: Gunnair Gunnair: Agreed. A damned shame, but if it had been a real gun, and kids got shot, a hell of a lot of much harder questions would be asked.
Maybe the parents should focus their attention on pellet gun/toy gun makers that make products that are nearly indistinguishable from the real thing. They're sold with orange tips by law for this reason. The kid must have removed it. Or bought it off someone that did. I think it would be more effective that the law require that the entire toy/replica be painted bright orange, rather than just the tip. Then again,as Strutz stated, the problem would arise of people painting real guns orange to make them seem like they're fake. Probably best to just ban them I guess.
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:05 pm
Tricks Tricks: Incoming stupid cop bashing. Don't be so sure. It was a crazy situation, with what looked like a real gun. In this case, I'm sure it's safe to assume the cop is feels like shit despite his training.
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:37 pm
Gunnair Gunnair: PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9: Tricks Tricks: They're sold with orange tips by law for this reason. The kid must have removed it. Or bought it off someone that did. I've never seen a pellet gun with an orange tip in my life. Yeah, me either. I don't belivee the ones being sold at crappy tire have an orange tip, and if they can be easily removed without damaging the gun, then what good would they be anyway? Do you live in the States? That's why. It's an American law. Up until recently you could buy full blown replica airsoft guns in Canada. Now they need to registered.
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:38 pm
Strutz Strutz: And what would stop someone from applying an orange tip to the real thing to make it look like a fake... Nothing. Cops still treat it as a firearm when used in a crime.
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:41 pm
QBall QBall: Tricks Tricks: Gunnair Gunnair: Agreed. A damned shame, but if it had been a real gun, and kids got shot, a hell of a lot of much harder questions would be asked.
Maybe the parents should focus their attention on pellet gun/toy gun makers that make products that are nearly indistinguishable from the real thing. They're sold with orange tips by law for this reason. The kid must have removed it. Or bought it off someone that did. I think it would be more effective that the law require that the entire toy/replica be painted bright orange, rather than just the tip. Then again,as Strutz stated, the problem would arise of people painting real guns orange to make them seem like they're fake. Probably best to just ban them I guess. Yup, can't come up with a solution, so just ban em. Derp.
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:42 pm
xerxes xerxes: Tricks Tricks: Incoming stupid cop bashing. Don't be so sure. It was a crazy situation, with what looked like a real gun. In this case, I'm sure it's safe to assume the cop is feels like shit despite his training. I agree, but you know some people out there are shitting on them. "Why didn't they shoot him in the leg?" "He's just a kid!" "what about a taser?" And so on and so forth.
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:46 pm
Tricks Tricks: Incoming stupid cop bashing. The cop who pulled the trigger is tragically also a victim. 
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andyt
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:48 pm
BRAH BRAH: Tricks Tricks: Incoming stupid cop bashing. The cop who pulled the trigger is tragically also a victim.  absolutely. They always are if a shooting is justified - but shooting a kid with a fake gun, I'm sure makes it even harder.
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:11 pm
BRAH BRAH: Tricks Tricks: Incoming stupid cop bashing. The cop who pulled the trigger is tragically also a victim.  Cops. And agreed, but doesn't mean it won't happen.
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