[Curtman]

commanderkai commanderkai:

Curtman Curtman:

Why not? Maybe not the Stanley cup, that's just stupidity. But when peaceful political protest stops being peaceful, its terrorism.

Why not the Stanley Cup? They attacked police officers, they set fire to vehicles, damaged stores and businesses, brutally attacked individuals, etc. If political protests turned violent are terrorism, why not the Stanley Cup riot?

$1:

the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

The stanley cup thing wasn't about intimidating or coercing people. The mouth breathers drank too much.

[Curtman]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

andyt andyt:

$1:

The activists entered the base, damaged property, set tires on fire, threw stones and damaged vehicles according to a statement released by the IDF.

Next time the black block goes on a rampage, Shep will say:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

It actually sounds more like a protest that got rowdy, rather than a 'terrorist' attack.

It's a violent protest. We have those here too.

And Andy, happily playing the role of an over ripe dingleberry, tries to compare the actions of professional criminals(aka Black Bloc) to a violent protest by people(some of whom are admittedly radical Jews) angered over the Israeli government dismantling their communities.

Dismantling their communities? You have no sympathy for the palestinians who are forcibly removed from their communities, but you do for the aggressors who illegally force their communities on them?

Im sure even you realize how ridiculous you sound sometimes.

[ShepherdsDog]

You really need to cut back on the illegal substances, and take part in some remedial reading comprehension classes, numbnuts. I never said that the settlements were legal. I said the people protesting the dismantling of the illegal settlements were pissed at the Israeli government. They are just upset as those who lost their homes and livelihoods in Gaza and the Sinai were, when the Israeli government dismantled the Israeli settlements there.

I make silly claims, yes. But unlike you, I know when my points are silly. You frequently make asinine statements because you don't seem to know any better.

[andyt]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

andyt andyt:

$1:

The activists entered the base, damaged property, set tires on fire, threw stones and damaged vehicles according to a statement released by the IDF.

Next time the black block goes on a rampage, Shep will say:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

It actually sounds more like a protest that got rowdy, rather than a 'terrorist' attack.

It's a violent protest. We have those here too.

And Andy, happily playing the role of an over ripe dingleberry, tries to compare the actions of professional criminals(aka Black Bloc) to a violent protest by people(some of whom are admittedly radical Jews) angered over the Israeli government dismantling their communities.

Nice try. Both are activists who use violence to make their points. At least the black blocks don't steal people's land. What sort of professional criminality are the black block engaged in, exactly? Guess they're worse than all those amateur criminals we have running around. Do they have to pass an exam for that?

[commanderkai]

Curtman Curtman:

The stanley cup thing wasn't about intimidating or coercing people. The mouth breathers drank too much.

"We want the Stanley Cup, so give it to us or we'll burn shit!"

Yeah a stretch, but I found it amusing.

[2Cdo]

andyt andyt:

At least the black blocks don't steal people's land.

No, they just destroyed property and stole goods from stores. Just a bunch of paragons of virtue that lot.

[Gunnair]

Curtman Curtman:

commanderkai commanderkai:

It actually sounds more like a protest that got rowdy, rather than a 'terrorist' attack.

I agree, it sounds like a riot. Unless we're going to start calling everybody involved in riots in North America terrorists (like the G20, the Vancouver Stanley Cup riot, etc), it seems to be a bit of a stretch.

Why not? Maybe not the Stanley cup, that's just stupidity. But when peaceful political protest stops being peaceful, its terrorism.[/quote]

I'm actually inclined to agree with you.

[andyt]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

andyt andyt:

At least the black blocks don't steal people's land.

No, they just destroyed property and stole goods from stores. Just a bunch of paragons of virtue that lot.

Wow, now there's a leap in logic. Judges say: 8 8 7 8 4. Not a bad score.

[andyt]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Curtman Curtman:

commanderkai commanderkai:

It actually sounds more like a protest that got rowdy, rather than a 'terrorist' attack.

I agree, it sounds like a riot. Unless we're going to start calling everybody involved in riots in North America terrorists (like the G20, the Vancouver Stanley Cup riot, etc), it seems to be a bit of a stretch.

Why not? Maybe not the Stanley cup, that's just stupidity. But when peaceful political protest stops being peaceful, its terrorism.

I'm actually inclined to agree with you.[/quote]

You guys really want to go down that road? Where everybody who breaks a window during a protest is a terrorist? You'll create the same problem as when they called everything sexual assault - you don't know if the guy patted a woman's butt or raped her.

[Gunnair]

andyt andyt:

Gunnair Gunnair:

I'm actually inclined to agree with you.

You guys really want to go down that road? Where everybody who breaks a window during a protest is a terrorist? You'll create the same problem as when they called everything sexual assault - you don't know if the guy patted a woman's butt or raped her.

Shades of grey. Law doesn't tend to be all or nothing. One would hope this isn't getting spooled up about a group you support.

[andyt]

Shades of grey should get some distinction - like going back to calling rape rape. You make the distinction overly broad and you lose the power of the word. So then real acts of terrorism don't stand out. Terrorism, in my mind, means you hand out very severe penalties. You really want to put everybody who breaks a window in jail for say ten years?

And don't go there that I support the black blocks. I don't support violent protest, no matter what the cause.

[Lemmy]

andyt andyt:

You'll create the same problem as when they called everything sexual assault - you don't know if the guy patted a woman's butt

sexual assault

andyt andyt:

or raped her.

aggravated sexual assault

different offences

[andyt]

OK. Read the paper tho, and it's all called sexual assault. So, if we label any violence for political aims terrorism, are we going to have terrorism and aggravated terrorism?

$1:

Aggravated Sexual Assault is when one commits an aggravated assault of a sexual nature and who wounds, maims, disfigures or endangers the life of the complainant.

Doesn't actually cover rape. Sounds like rape would be plain old sexual assault if none of the above conditions are met.

[BRAH]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Why so shocked...The US had Tim McVeigh and Co. Rabin was also murdered by an Israeli terrorist. Hell, even Canada had the FLQ and the Mohawk Warriors, although they are more of a criminal organization than an actual terrorist group. There was also the Branch Davidian thing in Waco and Ruby Ridge. Lots of crazies everywhere.

$1:

The activists entered the base, damaged property, set tires on fire, threw stones and damaged vehicles according to a statement released by the IDF.

The right-wing extremists also tried to attack the commander of the area, Colonel Ran Kahana, by throwing stones at his vehicle.

It actually sounds more like a protest that got rowdy, rather than a 'terrorist' attack.

Terrorists are just not Islamic Extremists they're anyone or group who use violence to push forward a personal or political agenda such as the IRA, Eric Rudolph, Unabomber etc.

[Lemmy]

andyt andyt:

$1:

Aggravated Sexual Assault is when one commits an aggravated assault of a sexual nature and who wounds, maims, disfigures or endangers the life of the complainant.

Doesn't actually cover rape. Sounds like rape would be plain old sexual assault if none of the above conditions are met.

see the words "wounds" and "maims"? Psychological wounds count too, which is why rapes are aggravated sexual assaults.