[andyt]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

I think John McCain would have been better for Canada in certain ways. Would Keystone XL have been held up under McCain? McCain was known to be against protectionism, would Canada have been nailed with Buy American provisions under his administration?

It will do you well to actually think about and consider alternate possibilities rather than gut reactions like... MCCAIN!!! HISS!!! PALIN!!! BARF!!!.

I don't think about it just in terms of specific instances where McCain might have been better for Canada. I think McCain would have been disastrous for the world and for the US. If the US was even more fucked than they are now, we would be too - and Keystone wouldn't do it to change that.

[saturn_656]

$1:

I think McCain would have been disastrous for the world and for the US.

Any particular reason why? Is it just because he's a Republican?

[andyt]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

andyt andyt:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

The man was hyped up like he was the second coming of Jesus Christ. Even by some in this country, through I cannot fathom why.

Because they were entering a shit storm caused by the previous prez, and Americans, like Canadians, can't handle the truth and thought there would be an easy way out.

Well I hope they realized their mistake.

Maybe a little, but when the next savior comes along, they'll fall for it again. Look at the nutbars they are seriously considering for Repub presidential candidate. Romney, if he could find the cajones to stand up the right and govern like he did in Massachusetts might not be too bad.

[bootlegga]

The more things change, the more the stay the same. There hasn't been a president since Clinton (and Reagan before him) who really gave a damn about this country.

And some Americans wonder why we're starting to talk about selling our raw materials to China and India instead of them...

[andyt]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

$1:

I think McCain would have been disastrous for the world and for the US.

Any particular reason why? Is it just because he's a Republican?

The problem with Obama is that he wasn't radical enough - should have nationalized (not in perpetuity) the banks and put more money into the system. With McCain we would have had a full scale depression, and that would have taken Canada down with it. And with McCain the US would have stood pat on healthcare. Obama at least got some movement, tho it was a half assed job. If the US spent what we do as a percent of GDP, savings would be enough to fund their entire military budget.

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Where are all those "Canadians for Obama" types now?

I want to hear their opinions on how things are working out for us.

And was it any different under Bush, when he ignored us but praised Britain for their help after 9/11?

The difference here is that your government formally endorsed Al Gore in the 2000 election and then your Liberal party sent people to Ohio in 2004 to work for John Kerry. That Bush didn't get all kissy face with the Liberals should not have been a surprise. Oh, and don't forget the antics of Carolyn Parrish.

On the other side of this paradigm, a majority of Canadians supported Obama and he's managed to treat you worse than Bush did.

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

Romney, if he could find the cajones to stand up the right and govern like he did in Massachusetts might not be too bad.

The right is now standing up to the RINOs and Romney and aligning behind neo-con Gingrich as the next best thing to a conservative. The GOP old guard is starting to let its support of Romney wane as the legions of conservatives grow in their opposition to Romney.

[BartSimpson]

bootlegga bootlegga:

The more things change, the more the stay the same. There hasn't been a president since Reagan who really gave a damn about Canada.

Pardon the edit.

Mulroney had the notiriety of being the first foreign head of state to have a sitting US Presidents' personal telephone number. Mulroney could, and did, call Reagan directly and Reagan himself answered the call. Bush 1 went back to the old standard of having such communications go via intermediaries. Clinton did it, too.

The relationship between Reagan and Mulroney was personal and it's a shame our leaders today don't get on as well.

[Tricks]

John F. Kennedy John F. Kennedy:

Geography has made us neighbors. History has made us friends. Economics has made us partners, and necessity has made us allies. Those whom God has so joined together, let no man put asunder.

Ever single President and Prime Minister really need to learn this.

[andyt]

All citizens of both countries need to learn this - don't hold your breath.

[bootlegga]

Tricks Tricks:

John F. Kennedy John F. Kennedy:

Geography has made us neighbors. History has made us friends. Economics has made us partners, and necessity has made us allies. Those whom God has so joined together, let no man put asunder.

Every single President and Prime Minister really need to learn this.

+5 on that!

[1Peg]

andyt andyt:

And was it any different under Bush, when he ignored us but praised Britain for their help after 9/11? We're always taken for granted by the US

Bush and Rice....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN_PBvep ... re=related

General Petraeus
http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/05/23 ... ghanistan/

[Tricks]

bootlegga bootlegga:

Tricks Tricks:

John F. Kennedy John F. Kennedy:

Geography has made us neighbors. History has made us friends. Economics has made us partners, and necessity has made us allies. Those whom God has so joined together, let no man put asunder.

Every single President and Prime Minister really need to learn this.

+5 on that!

Haha, thanks for the typo fix!

[Thanos]

andyt andyt:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

$1:

I think McCain would have been disastrous for the world and for the US.

Any particular reason why? Is it just because he's a Republican?

The problem with Obama is that he wasn't radical enough - should have nationalized (not in perpetuity) the banks and put more money into the system. With McCain we would have had a full scale depression, and that would have taken Canada down with it. And with McCain the US would have stood pat on healthcare. Obama at least got some movement, tho it was a half assed job. If the US spent what we do as a percent of GDP, savings would be enough to fund their entire military budget.

Choosing someone as deeply unserious and amateurish as Sarah Palin to be VP by itself would have made a McCain victory in 2008 a disaster.

The odds are also good that the US military would be in a quagmire in Iran right now too if McCain had won. The auto manufacturers would have been allowed to go under, throwing even more millions of Americans out of work. And even more trillions of dollars (which was originally a Bush Administration plan BTW, not an Obama one) would have been transferred from the taxpayers into the bank accounts of the Wall Street criminals, making an already historic theft by those who deserved the money the least even worse in magnitude.

I can't see how a McCain/Palin victory wouldn't have been the worst electoral decision the American voter ever made. Whatever crumbs got tossed Canada's way, which were few and far between during the Bush era too, wouldn't have been worth the massive amount of self-destruction that America would have done to itself.

[Gunnair]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Gunnair Gunnair:

I think that some of those pro-Obama types may have changed their mind about him based on the evidence they've seen. Those who were antiObana from the start had no real evidence except what the idiots, crazies and extremists dreamed up. Which one that group do you fall into I wonder?

Neither. I simply never bought into this nonsense.



The man was hyped up like he was the second coming of Jesus Christ. Even by some in this country, through I cannot fathom why.

Course he was hyped - that's politics. Bush was panned, and there was some actual fact to back that up.