[Lemmy]

"Duck, I says"

[herbie]

Lemmy Lemmy:

The monarchy declaring something useless?

[Zipperfish]

Everytime this comes up, its like a frickin Pavlovian dog response. All the right-wingers get all tomoato-faced (actually, I shouldn't say that; rightwingers are prety much permanently livid, it seems).

Windpower is just fine. Yes, it's an aesthetic eyesore. And, if improperly situated, they can kill birds. So what? If anyone has some type of energy that has no ecological or safety downside, I'm all ears (like Prince Charles. D'oh!).

An energy strategy should be built on a resilient base, involving all different kinds of generation--hydro, oil, coal, nuclar, solar, wid, tidal, geothermal, etc. The last thing we need to do is listen to right-wing retards who claim that oil will never run out and global warming is a big conspiracy by the scientists, the politicians and the dreaded "left wing MSM."

[sandorski]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Everytime this comes up, its like a frickin Pavlovian dog response. All the right-wingers get all tomoato-faced (actually, I shouldn't say that; rightwingers are prety much permanently livid, it seems).

Windpower is just fine. Yes, it's an aesthetic eyesore. And, if improperly situated, they can kill birds. So what? If anyone has some type of energy that has no ecological or safety downside, I'm all ears (like Prince Charles. D'oh!).

An energy strategy should be built on a resilient base, involving all different kinds of generation--hydro, oil, coal, nuclar, solar, wid, tidal, geothermal, etc. The last thing we need to do is listen to right-wing retards who claim that oil will never run out and global warming is a big conspiracy by the scientists, the politicians and the dreaded "left wing MSM."

What happens when the Wind runs out? Betchya didn't think about that!

[EyeBrock]

Oh you stereo-typer you Zip!

Windpower is fine if it's development by foreign for-profit companies 'aint subsidised by jacking up my hydro bill.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

sandorski sandorski:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Everytime this comes up, its like a frickin Pavlovian dog response. All the right-wingers get all tomoato-faced (actually, I shouldn't say that; rightwingers are prety much permanently livid, it seems).

Windpower is just fine. Yes, it's an aesthetic eyesore. And, if improperly situated, they can kill birds. So what? If anyone has some type of energy that has no ecological or safety downside, I'm all ears (like Prince Charles. D'oh!).

An energy strategy should be built on a resilient base, involving all different kinds of generation--hydro, oil, coal, nuclar, solar, wid, tidal, geothermal, etc. The last thing we need to do is listen to right-wing retards who claim that oil will never run out and global warming is a big conspiracy by the scientists, the politicians and the dreaded "left wing MSM."

What happens when the Wind runs out? Betchya didn't think about that!

Just use the traditional power plants to power the turbines

[Zipperfish]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Oh you stereo-typer you Zip!

Windpower is fine if it's development by foreign for-profit companies 'aint subsidised by jacking up my hydro bill.

Agreed. But I'd argue that subsidization of oil is orders of magnitude greater. heck the Us taxpayer is in for over a trillion dollars now, I think, to open up Iraq to oil comapnies.

[Trautsla]

Creful eureka, facts are not well tolerated here.

[Batsy]

sandorski sandorski:

Wind Power is more useful than a Duke.

I would say the opposite.

[Batsy]

Philip is absolutely spot on (although his eldest son, Prince Charles, a keen environmentalist, won't agree with me). Wind power is completely and utterly useless and doesn't work not only when it's not windy but also, apparently, when it's too windy.

The British Government is playing a very dangerous game if it thinks it can produce most, or all, of our energy using only "green" sources. If it starts relying on green energy sources then, by 2025, we'll find that not enough energy is being produced and the British people will be living by candlelight in their homes.

What we need to do is to start building more nuclear power stations - now.

[Batsy]

DanSC DanSC:

Yes, because right now we turn to the Greeks for good ideas.

Shut up Phil; your greatest accomplishment was boning someone and producing Charles.

His greatest accomplishment, in my opinion, was serving in the Royal Navy during World War II.

After the invasion of Greece by Italy in October 1940, he was transferred from the Indian Ocean to the battleship HMS Valiant in the Mediterranean Fleet.

Amongst other engagements, he was involved in the Battle of Crete and was mentioned in despatches for his service during the Battle of Cape Matapan where he controlled the battleship's searchlights.

He took part in the Allied invasion of Sicily in July 1943.

During that operation - when he was first lieutentant of HMS Wallace at the age of just 21 - he devised a plan to launch a raft with smoke floats that successfully distracted the bombers allowing the ship to slip away unnoticed.

In 1944, he moved on to the new destroyer, HMS Whelp, where he saw service with the British Pacific Fleet in the 27th Destroyer Flotilla. He was present in Tokyo Bay when the instrument of Japanese surrender was signed.

His wife, Queen Elizabeth II, is the only surviving Head of State in the world who saw service during WWII. She served as a driver and mechanic in the Women's Auxiliary Territorial Service, as an honorary Second Subaltern with the service number of 230873.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_phi ... al_service

[DanSC]

Batsy Batsy:

His wife, Queen Elizabeth II, is the only surviving Head of State in the world who saw service during WWII. She served as a driver and mechanic in the Women's Auxiliary Territorial Service, as an honorary Second Subaltern with the service number of 230873.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_phi ... al_service

Maybe the only surviving Head of State currently serving. George H.W. Bush successfully bombed targets while his aircraft was on fire, which was only one of 58 combat missions. And he didn't have the extra protection afforded to someone with magical DNA.

[Batsy]

DanSC DanSC:

Batsy Batsy:

His wife, Queen Elizabeth II, is the only surviving Head of State in the world who saw service during WWII. She served as a driver and mechanic in the Women's Auxiliary Territorial Service, as an honorary Second Subaltern with the service number of 230873.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_phi ... al_service

Maybe the only surviving Head of State currently serving. George H.W. Bush successfully bombed targets while his aircraft was on fire, which was only one of 58 combat missions. And he didn't have the extra protection afforded to someone with magical DNA.

I think you'll find that Prince Philip and Princess Elizabeth had no extra protection, either.

And they aren't the only British royals to have served in the military in modern times.

Prince Andrew flew helicopters during the Falklands War, Prince Harry served in Afghanistan and may go back and Prince William, who pilots RAF Sea Kings, is to serve in the Falklands next year.

This is all unlike draft dodger Dubya.

[Batsy]

Former Chancellor of the Exchequer Lord Lawson yesterday led the backing for Prince Philip after he branded wind farms "absolutely useless".

In a scathing attack, the Duke of Edinburgh said the turbines were ‘completely reliant on subsidies’ and ‘would never work’.

His comments are a rebuke to the Government, which is trying to increase the amount of energy generated by wind farms and other renewable technologies.

Last night Lord Lawson said the Duke was "spot on" and speaking on behalf of ordinary people in fuel poverty.

Philip made the remarks to Esbjorn Wilmar, managing director of Infinergy, which is building offshore turbines around Britain.

Mr Wilmar said he introduced himself to the 90-year-old Duke at a reception and suggested he put wind turbines on royal property.

"He said that they were absolutely useless, completely reliant on subsidies and an absolute disgrace. I was surprised by his very frank views," he said.

When Mr Wilmar tried to argue that onshore turbines are one of the most cost-effective forms of renewable energy, the Duke apparently replied: ‘You don’t believe in fairy tales do you?’

Philip dismisses wind farms as 'a useless disgrace' and says people who back them believe in a 'fairy tale'

Mr Wilmar added: ‘He said they would never work as they need back-up capacity.’

And the Duke apparently told him: ‘You stay away from my estate young man.’

Electricity customers pay an average of £90 a year towards wind turbines and other forms of renewable energy such as solar power

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[Batsy]

Hurrah for Philip! Wind power is the most ruinous folly of our age

Melanie Phillips
Daily Mail
21st November 2011

Once again, Prince Philip has performed an invaluable national service by tilting at windmills — or to be more precise in this case, wind turbines.

In private remarks that found their way into the Press, he apparently said wind turbines were ‘absolutely useless’, completely reliant on subsidies and that those who claimed they were one of the most cost-effective forms of renewable energy believed in ‘fairytales’.

The Prince’s outburst may have been impolitic but many will be cheering his words. Indeed, he understated his case. For the Government’s promotion of wind-farms is simply off-the-wall crazy from every conceivable point of view.

Not only are these turbines hugely expensive to build and operate but also — surprise, surprise — they produce zero energy if the wind is not blowing.

Conversely, when the wind blows too hard they have to be shut down. So wind power has to be supplemented by gas-fired power stations — which push into the atmosphere yet more of the dreaded carbon dioxide that the turbines are meant to help diminish.

This supposedly green development is actually environmentally unfriendly. For the turbines are not just an eyesore, but on many wind-farms they have had to be turned off after locals complained that the noise they made left them unable to sleep and even needing to wear ear-defenders in their gardens.
For these and other miseries, the population is having to pay through the nose. Public subsidies make wind power three times more expensive than normal-tariff electricity. And since such subsidies drain investment away from new conventional power plants, the risk of power cuts grows greater.

Alarmist

Meanwhile, a government adviser has calculated that even if 10 per cent of the country were to be covered with wind turbines, they would still generate only one-sixth of the nation’s energy needs.

Does one laugh or weep at such a farce masquerading as government policy?

More ludicrous still, it is becoming clearer by the day that the premise upon which these wind-farms are based, that increasing levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere are producing a catastrophic warming of the planet, has been shot to pieces.






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