[Thanos]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Robair Robair:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

If the Federal Liberals wanted any credibility on the subject they should have picked someone not connected to their former Govermnents "appropriation" of other peoples monies.

Pretty sure Ralph is the only prarie Liberal MP. Some of his constituents are farmers that have paid into this fund. If that doesn't make him the best qualified, don't know what would.

"They did it too" is no defence. I don't have party affiliations, I don't care who does it. If it's wrong, crucify them for it.

Why the hell would you defend this? Why would anybody? You feel the need because there's a blue C beside your name??

Bullshit. When Goodale can turn a blind eye to it happening to someone elses constituents and then come out against it happening to his it makes him a, what's the word I'm searching for.

Oh yeah, hypocrite.

I'm not in favor of the Conservatives doing this just like I wasn't when Paulie Martin did it and for the fucking record I was born and raised in Saskatchewan with about 80 percent of my relatives being farmers or cattlemen. So don't play the your a Conservative Card on me, cause it won't work.

This may be bullshit but the Liberals should have picked someone without the stank of Martin and Cretiens Governments appropriations all over them to bitch about it.

BAAAAAMMMM! +5 for you even if you have your points turned off.

[Freakinoldguy]

eureka eureka:

There are many arguments that can be made about the Martin actions to tackle the debt and deficits. But it did not `steal`money from the Pension funds. It was the Unions that were most vocal about that and I did not get the impression that you are a Union man.

That was surplus money that was used to pay down the debt and had the effect of lowering interest rates (taken with the other measures) and putting Canada in the position of being able to withstand the shocks of 2008.

The government was, is, liable for any deficits in the fund and if there is any shortfall in the amount available for payment, it is legally obliged to make it up.

I happen to disagree with the methods used since they actually led to a reduction ingrowth rates that would have put Canada in the same strong position if left alone. However, it is not exactly correct to say that the pension funds were stolen. The surplus was applied to productive use.

It wasn't just union money it was also money from the RCMP and Military's pension fund, you know, the people who have no say on how much they put in or how much they get out of this Government contolled fund that stood near 60 Billion Dollars when Paulie took half of it so he could claim he balanced his budget.

I also don't give a shit about government deficits, liabilty or productive use of appropriated monies. Hell using that flawed and misleading theory, is like saying Bernie Madoff was an allright guy despite stealing all that money because he gave some of it to charity.

The fact of the matter is the monies were taken without the peoples, in this case investors, approval and then, Big Jean and Paulie had the gall to pass a bill in a majority Government that forbade any other corporations or companies from doing the same thing.

I wonder if you'd be pissed if I came and told you that the Government was taking your RRSP to pay off your neighbors debt and in future you'd have to pay considerably more and work considerably longer just to keep your pension. Which, is exactly what's happening to the non voting members of this pension fund.

So yeah I get pissed when one of their co-conspirators starts beaking about someonelse doing what they already did.

BTW the case is still in the courts and I'd love to see the hue and cry from any Government left or right, that had to pay it back.

[OnTheIce]

Politics at it's finest. Do as I say, not as I do.

Atleast it's something for the Liberals to feel relevant for 5 minutes this week.

[eureka]

As I said F.O.G., I do not think the methods were necessary but I do not see the harm since the government is legally responsible for the pensions.

[Freakinoldguy]

eureka eureka:

As I said F.O.G., I do not think the methods were necessary but I do not see the harm since the government is legally responsible for the pensions.

The harm is that all serving members of the Military, RCMP and DND Public Servants are now paying much higher pension benefits than they would have had to if Mr Martin had left the money in the fund.

So, in an odd way they're paying for a good portion of Martins balancing of the budget, which, as some wag said went to benefit all the other Canadians.

As a military member for more than 30 years I paid the maximum premiums for CPP, OAP, UI/EI and Pension Benefits on top of taxes. What did I get for these high premiums.

No harm my ass. They're making money off the Military, RCMP and DND employees hand over fist because two out of the 3 can't fight back and when the other one did they got legislated back to work.

And for reference sake it isn't just the Liberals. If the Conservatives had any real intestinal fortitude when it came to the Military like they say, they'd have paid this fund back and dropped the counter lawsuit against us drawing CPP and our Military pensions seperately like we have been paying for.

[Robair]

Cheer up, maybe that's what they'll do with all the farmer's money they are now stealing.

[Freakinoldguy]

Robair Robair:

Cheer up, maybe that's what they'll do with all the farmer's money they are now stealing.

I don't think that's enough to cover the bill though.

Like I said I'd love to see us win in court and the Government of the Day have to pay it back. You'd never hear the end of it.

Maybe they could take it out of Martins tax payments.

Oh yeah, I forgot he doesn't pay taxes in Canada.