[BartSimpson]

I'll have to go check it out. Thanks!

[Smacle]

http://youtu.be/8vPRNO9WptE

Facts:

1: "dozen or so performers who were blocking an exit"

2: "who chant, beat their chests and gesture aggressive­ly before matches. The Maori tradition also can include fierce facial expression­s."

3: "many people in the crowd knew the group was going to dance, but the two officers and others didn't."

4: The police action came after a pair of officers unsuccessf­ully attempted to disperse the dozen or so performers

Lesson of the day: Police are the law, do what they say.... Also, players do the Haka(ritual?). Not a mob of gangsters on the sideline.

[BartSimpson]

Smacle Smacle:

Lesson of the day: Police are the law, do what they say.

No.

The people are the law and the police enforce it. When cops decide to start making up laws then it's the responsibility of the people to stand up and resist, by force if needed, the usurpation of law by those who had sworn to protect it.

[DrCaleb]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Smacle Smacle:

Lesson of the day: Police are the law, do what they say.

No.

The people are the law and the police enforce it. When cops decide to start making up laws then it's the responsibility of the people to stand up and resist, by force if needed, the usurpation of law by those who had sworn to protect it.

I don't understand this trend in society where people scream for their rights, then cave in, give up and run away when it becomes time to use them.

[BartSimpson]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

I don't understand this trend in society where people scream for their rights, then cave in, give up and run away when it becomes time to use them.

Neither do I. I've been in a couple of spats with law enforcement in the past couple years and I've held my ground and told the jerkoffs to pound sand when appropriate. Only on one occasion did it get to the point that I pulled out my badge (I'm a reservist) and then the idiot says to me, "Why didn't you tell me you were a cop before this?"

I told him, "If you were doing the right thing to begin with I wouldn't have had to."

Why anyone thinks there's anything magical that happens when someone puts on a badge and a gun utterly eludes me. A cop is just a citizen who is entrusted by his/her fellow citizens with enforcing the law. Maybe they have more training than most people have, but so what? When it comes to right vs. wrong I'm inclined to trust the average citizen more than I trust people who have power.

[EyeBrock]

It works both ways Bart. I've rarely met the bad, power hungry cop-bully but I have met a few over the years. The idiots who want to fight anybody with a badge or just fight anybody far outweigh the cop-bully types.

But, all cops should remember Bobby Peel's words;

"Police, at all times, should maintain a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent upon every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence."

[DrCaleb]

^^ Excellent quote EB.

I haven't met but one badge that was a bully, and I thank him for forcing me to learn his trade and my rights in order to counter his delusion that he was the law.

[EyeBrock]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

^^ Excellent quote EB.

I haven't met but one badge that was a bully, and I thank him for forcing me to learn his trade and my rights in order to counter his delusion that he was the law.

Personally I think intense oversight of the police is a good thing. Peel obviously thought so too and his words, though they are not far off 180 years old now, remain as relevant as ever.

[Smacle]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

No.

The people are the law and the police enforce it. When cops decide to start making up laws then it's the responsibility of the people to stand up and resist, by force if needed, the usurpation of law by those who had sworn to protect it.

Until someone goes and gives them a new set of rules you should expect that when you resist directions given by an officer (obstructing a peace officer), while stopping people from leaving (unlawful confinement) by blocking an exit(fire codes?), you will be pepper sprayed, if not arrested.

[BartSimpson]

Smacle Smacle:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

No.

The people are the law and the police enforce it. When cops decide to start making up laws then it's the responsibility of the people to stand up and resist, by force if needed, the usurpation of law by those who had sworn to protect it.

Until someone goes and gives them a new set of rules you should expect that when you resist directions given by an officer (obstructing a peace officer), while stopping people from leaving (unlawful confinement) by blocking an exit(fire codes?), you will be pepper sprayed, if not arrested.

"Obstruction" and "Resisting" charges are generally laid on after a cop has beaten the crap out of someone for no defensible reason. If you don't know that then you're a very fortunate person...or willfully ignorant.

[Smacle]

Haha. Yea, you know me too well.

[Smacle]

It's also the charge that they lay when someone is obstructing or resisting a peace officer.

[DrCaleb]

Smacle Smacle:

It's also the charge that they lay when someone is obstructing or resisting a peace officer.

What is the charge when a Peace Officer has overstepped their autority and is restraining people without just cause? And 'obstruction' in that case is moot. It's the duty of law abiding citizens to challenge and resist unlawful orders from Peace Officers.

[BartSimpson]

Smacle Smacle:

It's also the charge that they lay when someone is obstructing or resisting a peace officer.

When either or both are the only charges laid then it typically indicates that something smells.

[Smacle]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

What is the charge when a Peace Officer has overstepped their autority and is restraining people without just cause? And 'obstruction' in that case is moot. It's the duty of law abiding citizens to challenge and resist unlawful orders from Peace Officers.

Dereliction of duty? You can challenge what ever you want. That cop was just doing his job, you don't like his mandate? then go complain to your local MP but leave the guy alone, he was just doing his job. Pepper spray doesn't hurt that much anyways.

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

When either or both are the only charges laid then it typically indicates that something smells.

Maybe to a conspiracy theorist but to someone who has spent a lot of time around drunk a-holes on whyte ave, it makes perfect sense.

First thing outta that gangstas mouth was "I'm gonna sue you!". I recognize that phrase from every prick that I dealt with in prison. I would tell them to go right ahead cuz it's their right. Nobody ever did cuz their lawyers know that I was following my mandate.

As a largely military forum you guys should be familiar with the escalation of force. Protesting that officers action surprises me coming from this forum.