[EyeBrock]

We are far too generous to 'refugees' that usually turn out to be economic migrants jumping the queue.

I think the pendulum will be swinging back somewhat under the Tories. They are looking at it much pragmatically than previous governments.

Most people agree that we need immigrants to boost our population, economy etc. We just need to be way more picky than we have been for the past 30 years or so.

[andyt]

The article doesn't actually mention refugees. (Doesn't mean some of those 1800 didn't come here as refugees.) Refugees and immigrants should not be conflated.

[Brenda]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Brenda Brenda:

I'm sorry, but I haven't cost Canada shit. I brought money. So do most immigrants. It is a requirement, remember? So seriously, I call total bullshit.

Unless of course you mean that the average RESIDENT costs the taxpayer $6500 on average? Then I agree with you.

"Refugees" aren't required to bring cash AFAIK.

Refugees aren't immigrants.

[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

Brenda Brenda:

I'm sorry, but I haven't cost Canada shit. I brought money. So do most immigrants. It is a requirement, remember? So seriously, I call total bullshit.

You always make this about you. You're one of millions. On average immigrants cost the govt $6500 a year each because of their lower earnings compared to native born Canadians (or immigrants who came here before the 1980's). But those that scam to get in here and then live on welfare cost it even more. Those that hide their criminal past also cost us.

Immigrants cannot go on welfare, you know that, right?

Of course I make this "about me". I AM an immigrant, as opposed to you. I paid my dues, I brought a shitload of money to this country.

I think it is funny that you can claim that "immigrants" earn less than "natural born Canadians". My children are immigrants too. Do they cost you $6500/yr, as opposed to my neighbours kid, who is in the same class as my kid?

[EyeBrock]

A fruadulent refugee can become a citizen but they still remain fraudulent.

The refugee system is linked to immigration as many immigrants use it to lie and cheat their way into Canada and a few years later they get a nice blue passport. I would think that quite a few liars and immigration 'consultants' are not sleeping well at night after this hits the media.

This is about time and a good use of law-enforcement resources. Legal immigrants will applaud this.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Brenda Brenda:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Brenda Brenda:

I'm sorry, but I haven't cost Canada shit. I brought money. So do most immigrants. It is a requirement, remember? So seriously, I call total bullshit.

Unless of course you mean that the average RESIDENT costs the taxpayer $6500 on average? Then I agree with you.

"Refugees" aren't required to bring cash AFAIK.

Refugees aren't immigrants.

Right. So what do you think, only immigrants are granted citizenship? A bogus refugee still enters by the same means as a legit refugee. If they ain't bringing any cash with them, then they are costing money from the very moment they set foot on Canadian soil.

[Brenda]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

A fruadulent refugee can become a citizen but they still remain fraudulent.

The refugee system is linked to immigration as many immigrants use it to lie and cheat their way into Canada and a few years later they get a nice blue passport. I would think that quite a few liars and immigration 'consultants' are not sleeping well at night after this hits the media.

This is about time and a good use of law-enforcement resources. Legal immigrants will applaud this.

Absolutely.

[Brenda]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Brenda Brenda:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

"Refugees" aren't required to bring cash AFAIK.

Refugees aren't immigrants.

Right. So what do you think, only immigrants are granted citizenship? A bogus refugee still enters by the same means as a legit refugee. If they ain't bringing any cash with them, then they are costing money from the very moment they set foot on Canadian soil.

Why do you think I say Immigration and Naturalization should do a better job??
I have nothing against refugees, when they are actually refugees. Few are tho. But to blame IMMIGRANTS for being costly, strikes me the wrong way.

[EyeBrock]

Toronto has a point though. The Feds are letting in the immigrants, they do the screening or lack of it and half the annual immigration total settles in the GTA.

Toronto council are picking up the tab in welfare and language training. It's time the Fed's either changed they way they select immigrants or paid the bill that has been downloaded on to the property tax payers of the GTA.

[andyt]

Brenda Brenda:

andyt andyt:

You always make this about you. You're one of millions. On average immigrants cost the govt $6500 a year each because of their lower earnings compared to native born Canadians (or immigrants who came here before the 1980's). But those that scam to get in here and then live on welfare cost it even more. Those that hide their criminal past also cost us.

Immigrants cannot go on welfare, you know that, right?

Of course I make this "about me". I AM an immigrant, as opposed to you. I paid my dues, I brought a shitload of money to this country.

I think it is funny that you can claim that "immigrants" earn less than "natural born Canadians". My children are immigrants too. Do they cost you $6500/yr, as opposed to my neighbours kid, who is in the same class as my kid?

I'm sure your children will do as well as native born Canadians do. But you're just not understanding averages - what happens with immigrants as a whole, as opposed to a particular case. We get some very rich immigrants too, that bring millions into the country - does that mean all immigrants do? You didn't. See how that works?

Immigrants can't go on welfare? I don't believe you. There's no citizenship requirement for welfare, just a residency one.

$1:

Approximately 8.4 per cent of the B.C. immigrant population (aged 15+) who came to
Canada between 1980 and 1995 received
welfare benefits during the 1995 tax year.

[Brenda]

You conveniently forgot to copy paste this part from that article:

$1:

Contrary to the general belief that immigrants
are more likely to depend on welfare
benefits during their initial settlement period,
statistics show that immigrants who
have been in Canada between 10 and 12
years are more likely to receive welfare
benefits …

Thanks for playing.

http://www.bcstats.gov.bc.ca/pubs/immig/imm004sf.pdf

[andyt]

Brenda Brenda:

You conveniently forgot to copy paste this part from that article:

$1:

Contrary to the general belief that immigrants
are more likely to depend on welfare
benefits during their initial settlement period,
statistics show that immigrants who
have been in Canada between 10 and 12
years are more likely to receive welfare
benefits …

Thanks for playing.

http://www.bcstats.gov.bc.ca/pubs/immig/imm004sf.pdf

And you conveniently changed the point:

Brenda Brenda:

Immigrants cannot go on welfare, you know that, right?

Nice try tho.

[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

We get some very rich immigrants too, that bring millions into the country - does that mean all immigrants do? You didn't. See how that works?

There is a requirement to bring a certain amount of money to the country. An amount that the government thinks you can live off for at least 6 months. You have to show you own that when you land. Whether you bring 20 times more or just that, is not important.
If you come through family class immigration, your family has to prove they can support you. As investor or entrepeneur, you have to show you bring a shitload of money.
So yes, there is a residency requirement for welfare, and not a citizenship one. I think it is 3 years or something. Just sayin.

[andyt]

Residency for BC, is 6 months. If you're in the country legally and have lived in BC 6 months you're eligible for welfare, MSP etc, which are provincial programs. If you came here by fraudulent means you are accessing govt services (that every Canadian gets) that you are not entitled to, so you're costing us money.

As for making it personal - you come across as if you represent all immigrants. You don't, you represent your family, that's it. If you want to talk about immigration to Canada, you have to look at the big picture, not a little snapshot of one family who is certainly not representative of the average immigrants, just by their continent of origin.

[Brenda]

True. What people also have to do, is recognize that refugees are not immigrants, and fraudulent immigrants just slipped through and thus Immigration and Naturalization fucked up.
I take offense when those 3 are thrown on the same pile.