[andyt]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Really? I can't get chiropractic care or physiotherapy witout paying out of pocket for it. You want me to pay for something that is an ABSOLUTE necessity for me(physio) through something that was no fault of my own, then expect me to pick up the tab for some bimbo that doesn't "want that thing inside her"?

Get real! Pregnancy due to rape should be covered, but other than that, unless deemed a medical necessity by a doctor, NOT the one that's pregnant, then it is an elective procedure and NO provincial health plans cover elective procedures AFAIK.
"Oh gee, my big, bent of shape, ugly nose is ruining my social life, OHIP should have to pay for me to get a nose job".

"Oh no, my tits are too small and it's damaging my fragile self-esteem, OHIP should pay for me to have bigger boobs."

"Damn, even though we've been taught in school for years how NOT to get pregnant, I'm stupid and had unprotected sex anyway, OHIP should pay for my abortion."

Sorry, not buying it, no matter how badly you want me to pay for it.

So women who can't afford abortions should just have the kid and be done with it? Then you'll pay for the foster care that kid might need, or the crimes he might commit when he gets older.

[Brenda]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Brenda Brenda:

I don't get what you are saying here, OTI.
You would provide free condoms but not birth control pills? You would provide free condoms, but not treat urinal tract infections? You would provide free condoms but not screen for cervix cancer etc by providing free PAP-smears?

The goal is to prevent pregnancy,infections and disease. Providing pills does only 1 of those and that's prevent pregnancy.

You're encouraging irresponsibility but pushing pills.

On top of that, the pills have a ton of side effects like acne, weight gain, etc.

Providing and encouraging the use of condoms will have a more profound effect.

So it is either the pill or condoms? There is no other way of birth control?
Wow.

I have been on the pill for years, and I never had ANY of the side effects you mention.

What about pap-smears, urinary tract infections, STD's etc? Women's health is more than just "use condoms and don't get pregnant, you moron". What about breast exams? Etc etc.

[DerbyX]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

DerbyX DerbyX:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

I don't get why the government should for people who opt to have unprotected sex.

You don't have to have unprotected sex, provide free condoms and cut out the birth control pills.

Should what?

If you mean "should provide free abortions" then that is incorrect. The article states that the abortions are funded privately not through their funding but personally I believe abortions should be provided free of charge no different then any other medical service.

Really? I can't get chiropractic care or physiotherapy witout paying out of pocket for it. You want me to pay for something that is an ABSOLUTE necessity for me(physio) through something that was no fault of my own, then expect me to pick up the tab for some bimbo that doesn't "want that thing inside her"?

Get real! Pregnancy due to rape should be covered, but other than that, unless deemed a medical necessity by a doctor, NOT the one that's pregnant, then it is an elective procedure and NO provincial health plans cover elective procedures AFAIK.
"Oh gee, my big, bent of shape, ugly nose is ruining my social life, OHIP should have to pay for me to get a nose job".

"Oh no, my tits are too small and it's damaging my fragile self-esteem, OHIP should pay for me to have bigger boobs."

"Damn, even though we've been taught in school for years how NOT to get pregnant, I'm stupid and had unprotected sex anyway, OHIP should pay for my abortion."

Sorry, not buying it, no matter how badly you want me to pay for it.

That argument can be expanded to every single medical procedure. The idea is to prevent abortions from being out of reach to even the poorest people.

I have no problems with this being 100% government funded and it'll cost you a hell of a lot more when the government provides all the required natal services for free.

[OnTheIce]

andyt andyt:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Brenda Brenda:

I don't get what you are saying here, OTI.
You would provide free condoms but not birth control pills? You would provide free condoms, but not treat urinal tract infections? You would provide free condoms but not screen for cervix cancer etc by providing free PAP-smears?

The goal is to prevent pregnancy,infections and disease. Providing pills does only 1 of those and that's prevent pregnancy.

You're encouraging irresponsibility but pushing pills.

On top of that, the pills have a ton of side effects like acne, weight gain, etc.

Providing and encouraging the use of condoms will have a more profound effect.

Do you use a condom OTI?

No, I've been with the same woman for 13 years and have 3 children and she's had her tubes tied.

When I didn't want children, I wore a condom. (And actually paid for them out of pocket!) When I wanted kids, I took it off.

When you have sex with strangers or people you've just started dating, you'd be very wise to slap on a dome.

Sure, it feels like shit sometimes, but it's better than having your dick drip for weeks on end.

[Brenda]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Really? I can't get chiropractic care or physiotherapy witout paying out of pocket for it. You want me to pay for something that is an ABSOLUTE necessity for me(physio) through something that was no fault of my own,

When are below a certain level of income, yes you can.

$1:

then expect me to pick up the tab for some bimbo that doesn't "want that thing inside her"?

Then keep your dick in your pants. It takes 2, yaknow.

$1:

Get real! Pregnancy due to rape should be covered, but other than that, unless deemed a medical necessity by a doctor, NOT the one that's pregnant, then it is an elective procedure and NO provincial health plans cover elective procedures AFAIK.

Again, keep your dick in your pants then. Or pay child support if you don't want to spend your life with the mother of the kid you made. Oh wait, you don't, or can't, but she has to, because you both were horny, but it is all her responsibility now.

$1:

"Oh gee, my big, bent of shape, ugly nose is ruining my social life, OHIP should have to pay for me to get a nose job".

"Oh no, my tits are too small and it's damaging my fragile self-esteem, OHIP should pay for me to have bigger boobs."

This is below you.

$1:

"Damn, even though we've been taught in school for years how NOT to get pregnant, I'm stupid and had unprotected sex anyway, OHIP should pay for my abortion."

Sorry, not buying it, no matter how badly you want me to pay for it.

Again, keep your dick in your pants.

[OnTheIce]

Brenda Brenda:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Brenda Brenda:

I don't get what you are saying here, OTI.
You would provide free condoms but not birth control pills? You would provide free condoms, but not treat urinal tract infections? You would provide free condoms but not screen for cervix cancer etc by providing free PAP-smears?

The goal is to prevent pregnancy,infections and disease. Providing pills does only 1 of those and that's prevent pregnancy.

You're encouraging irresponsibility but pushing pills.

On top of that, the pills have a ton of side effects like acne, weight gain, etc.

Providing and encouraging the use of condoms will have a more profound effect.

So it is either the pill or condoms? There is no other way of birth control?
Wow.

I have been on the pill for years, and I never had ANY of the side effects you mention.

What about pap-smears, urinary tract infections, STD's etc? Women's health is more than just "use condoms and don't get pregnant, you moron". What about breast exams? Etc etc.

Sure there is. Don't have sex if you don't plan on being responsible about it.

I'm glad you've been side effect free, most people aren't.

They didn't eliminate funding, the reduced it by 20%. They still have plenty of funding to do the things they do like paps.

Perhaps if you start pushing responsibility with the usage of condoms, your rates of seeing patients with STD's and UTI's would drop dramatically.

You can provide 1 thing that can reduce and almost eliminate the risk of pregnancy, infections and disease and a fraction of the cost of the pill.

Why wouldn't you look at that option as being the BEST option for your patients?

[PublicAnimalNo9]

andyt andyt:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Really? I can't get chiropractic care or physiotherapy witout paying out of pocket for it. You want me to pay for something that is an ABSOLUTE necessity for me(physio) through something that was no fault of my own, then expect me to pick up the tab for some bimbo that doesn't "want that thing inside her"?

Get real! Pregnancy due to rape should be covered, but other than that, unless deemed a medical necessity by a doctor, NOT the one that's pregnant, then it is an elective procedure and NO provincial health plans cover elective procedures AFAIK.
"Oh gee, my big, bent of shape, ugly nose is ruining my social life, OHIP should have to pay for me to get a nose job".

"Oh no, my tits are too small and it's damaging my fragile self-esteem, OHIP should pay for me to have bigger boobs."

"Damn, even though we've been taught in school for years how NOT to get pregnant, I'm stupid and had unprotected sex anyway, OHIP should pay for my abortion."

Sorry, not buying it, no matter how badly you want me to pay for it.

So women who can't afford abortions should just have the kid and be done with it? Then you'll pay for the foster care that kid might need, or the crimes he might commit when he gets older.

Sure, and I could also end up paying if she tries to commit suicide sometime later because of underlying guilt. Then I get to pay for her hospitalization, possible time in an institution and finally medication.
The ol' "what if" game sure is a futile exercise isn't it?

[Brenda]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

No, I've been with the same woman for 13 years and have 3 children and she's had her tubes tied.

When I didn't want children, I wore a condom. (And actually paid for them out of pocket!) When I wanted kids, I took it off.

When you have sex with strangers or people you've just started dating, you'd be very wise to slap on a dome.

Sure, it feels like shit sometimes, but it's better than having your dick drip for weeks on end.

Just curious, why did SHE get her tubes tied, while it is a way less invasive (let alone cheaper) procedure for you to undergo?

[andyt]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

andyt andyt:

Do you use a condom OTI?

No, I've been with the same woman for 13 years and have 3 children and she's had her tubes tied.

When I didn't want children, I wore a condom. (And actually paid for them out of pocket!) When I wanted kids, I took it off.

When you have sex with strangers or people you've just started dating, you'd be very wise to slap on a dome.

Sure, it feels like shit sometimes, but it's better than having your dick drip for weeks on end.

All good advice. But who says some of the women who use PP haven't been with the same man for 13 years, but don't want to get their tubes tied?

[DerbyX]

Brenda Brenda:

Just curious, why did SHE get her tubes tied, while it is a way less invasive (let alone cheaper) procedure for you to undergo?

Because the same idiotic chauvinism that demands the women take all the precautions is the one that one that grabs the testicles and screams "NOT MY NUTS"!

[Brenda]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Brenda Brenda:

So it is either the pill or condoms? There is no other way of birth control?
Wow.

I have been on the pill for years, and I never had ANY of the side effects you mention.

What about pap-smears, urinary tract infections, STD's etc? Women's health is more than just "use condoms and don't get pregnant, you moron". What about breast exams? Etc etc.

Sure there is. Don't have sex if you don't plan on being responsible about it.

I'm glad you've been side effect free, most people aren't.

They didn't eliminate funding, the reduced it by 20%. They still have plenty of funding to do the things they do like paps.

Perhaps if you start pushing responsibility with the usage of condoms, your rates of seeing patients with STD's and UTI's would drop dramatically.

You can provide 1 thing that can reduce and almost eliminate the risk of pregnancy, infections and disease and a fraction of the cost of the pill.

Why wouldn't you look at that option as being the BEST option for your patients?

So why not both? Why not a form of contraception AND condoms?
I don't see the big deal.

And please, do not give me the "the pill causes side effects"-bs to push your point. These women were on the pill, and still would be if they didn't have to pay $100 for them.

[andyt]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

andyt andyt:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Really? I can't get chiropractic care or physiotherapy witout paying out of pocket for it. You want me to pay for something that is an ABSOLUTE necessity for me(physio) through something that was no fault of my own, then expect me to pick up the tab for some bimbo that doesn't "want that thing inside her"?

Get real! Pregnancy due to rape should be covered, but other than that, unless deemed a medical necessity by a doctor, NOT the one that's pregnant, then it is an elective procedure and NO provincial health plans cover elective procedures AFAIK.
"Oh gee, my big, bent of shape, ugly nose is ruining my social life, OHIP should have to pay for me to get a nose job".

"Oh no, my tits are too small and it's damaging my fragile self-esteem, OHIP should pay for me to have bigger boobs."

"Damn, even though we've been taught in school for years how NOT to get pregnant, I'm stupid and had unprotected sex anyway, OHIP should pay for my abortion."

Sorry, not buying it, no matter how badly you want me to pay for it.

So women who can't afford abortions should just have the kid and be done with it? Then you'll pay for the foster care that kid might need, or the crimes he might commit when he gets older.

Sure, and I could also end up paying if she tries to commit suicide sometime later because of underlying guilt. Then I get to pay for her hospitalization, possible time in an institution and finally medication.
The ol' "what if" game sure is a futile exercise isn't it?

No it's not. Using reasonable foresight and weighing the odds and costs is a useful human trait.

I think physio should be funded as well, like it used to be. In Canada we fund abortions anyway. Wouldn't it be better to push for funding both, rather than defunding both?

[xerxes]

And the Christian right's war on women marches on.

[OnTheIce]

Brenda Brenda:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

No, I've been with the same woman for 13 years and have 3 children and she's had her tubes tied.

When I didn't want children, I wore a condom. (And actually paid for them out of pocket!) When I wanted kids, I took it off.

When you have sex with strangers or people you've just started dating, you'd be very wise to slap on a dome.

Sure, it feels like shit sometimes, but it's better than having your dick drip for weeks on end.

Just curious, why did SHE get her tubes tied, while it is a way less invasive (let alone cheaper) procedure for you to undergo?

It was offered as an option as she was having a c-section.

[Zipperfish]

Brenda Brenda:

Again, keep your dick in your pants then. Or pay child support if you don't want to spend your life with the mother of the kid you made. Oh wait, you don't, or can't, but she has to, because you both were horny, but it is all her responsibility now.

It was 100% her choice, therefore it should be 100% her responsibility.