[BartSimpson]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

an overwhelming bias to the right in radio news.

No, there is NOT an overwhelming bias in the radio media to the right - there's an overwhelming bias in the AM radio audience to the right and the smart broadcasters are catering to that audience. The dumbasses, like Al Franken and Air America, go bankrupt trying to cater to a leftist audience that is already served by existing media.

With TV the overwhelming bias of the broadcasters gopes against the desires of their audience, thus you see FOX dominating simply by being the only network catering to that audience. Where at least some TV networks should skew to the right to attract some of FOX News' viewers you have to wonder why they don't? They don't run public information services, after all, they run businesses.

And since you're so concerned about bias in the media, care to tell me what left wing networks you don't care for?

[dino_bobba_renno]

I kind of liked his blog but to me what he was saying was a little bit contradictorily. At first he kind of states that he’s a bit disillusioned with the fact that he can’t espouse his own beliefs and that he has to tow the “editorial line” so to say but then he goes on later to complain about organizations like Fox News. But isn’t the biggest problem with Fox the fact that they tend to overly editorialize their news rather than simply report it?

I think he has a lot of good points but it sounds to me like he would be better off writing editorials for a news paper if he wants more say in what he reports and being able to voice his opinions on matters.

I do like what he had to say on covering stories that are really less news worthy than other more important issues though. He's bang on on that point but at the same time it's a bit of a naive position. People don't all ways want the "serious news" coverage. Sometimes they want a bit of more light hearted reporting mixed in so it isn't so damn depressing every time you watch the news.

Over all I think he's a very tellented guy with a big future ahead of him but he's being a bit naive. I wonder how long before he changes his mind and goes back to reporting on tv.

[Curtman]

raydan raydan:

Is there a good reason why everything becomes a left vs right issue here?

Because when you're a right wing extremist, everything else looks like the left.

[BartSimpson]

Curtman Curtman:

Because when you're a right wing extremist, everything else looks like the left.

That works both ways, you know.

[Curtman]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Curtman Curtman:

Because when you're a right wing extremist, everything else looks like the left.

That works both ways, you know.

Yeah from here in the middle, you guys all look nuts.

[Zipperfish]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

an overwhelming bias to the right in radio news.

No, there is NOT an overwhelming bias in the radio media to the right - there's an overwhelming bias in the AM radio audience to the right and the smart broadcasters are catering to that audience. The dumbasses, like Al Franken and Air America, go bankrupt trying to cater to a leftist audience that is already served by existing media.

With TV the overwhelming bias of the broadcasters gopes against the desires of their audience, thus you see FOX dominating simply by being the only network catering to that audience. Where at least some TV networks should skew to the right to attract some of FOX News' viewers you have to wonder why they don't? They don't run public information services, after all, they run businesses.

And since you're so concerned about bias in the media, care to tell me what left wing networks you don't care for?

The programs I listed are the top-rated in America--AM or FM. So, AM and FM, the ratings indicate a lot of right-wing pundits dominating the airwaves. The left-wing pundits apparently went bankrupt (news to me). So, again, where's the bias there? If you were to try to prove a left-wing bias to me, you're not doing a good job of it by saying that the left-wing pundits in radio went bankrupt, while right-wing pundits continue to rule the ratings. You haven't presented any evidence, except evidence (such as FOX having as much ratings as its competitors combined) arguing against your own thesis.

Yes, these are businesses, ultimately. Highly competitive businesses with extremely tight profit margins. That's another argument against a liberal MSM. I'd argue that media owners are more concerned with how to sell the most ads than they are about the propaganda worth of their news.

It's been my experience that the further people are from the political centre, the more strongly they are likely to see a media bias in the opposite direction. Call it Zip's Theory of Media Relativity (c).

As to your question, I don't care for any of the networks. I don't watch TV news. It's horrible. My main news source is CKA and it's a darned fine one!

[Scape]

Curtman Curtman:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Curtman Curtman:

Because when you're a right wing extremist, everything else looks like the left.

That works both ways, you know.

Yeah from here in the middle, you guys all look nuts.

Amen!

[Brenda]

Curtman Curtman:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Curtman Curtman:

Because when you're a right wing extremist, everything else looks like the left.

That works both ways, you know.

Yeah from here in the middle, you guys all look nuts.

Hear hear

[Wada]

[Arctic_Menace]

This strikes a point that crosses media biases; which is the lack of credible journalism. Flip between news channels and aside from local ones, you'll see more or less the same exact story, word for word. There's less investigative journalism these days (Be it CBC, CTV, Fox, CNN, BBC, etc.) and we focus on sensationalist stories until they become stale or our short attention spans turn to something else that in the grand scheme of things doesn't matter.

[raydan]

Scape Scape:

Curtman Curtman:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

That works both ways, you know.

Yeah from here in the middle, you guys all look nuts.

Amen!

By definition, all extremists are either far left or far right... none in the middle.

[BartSimpson]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

The programs I listed are the top-rated in America--AM or FM.

I can't tell you of a single FM station in the whole of the United States that has a talk show format. Talk shows dominate on AM because the mono sound is so well suited to talk shows and because FM is dominated by music programming and so-called 'Morning Drive' programs that are more entertainment than news.

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

So, AM and FM, the ratings indicate a lot of right-wing pundits dominating the airwaves. The left-wing pundits apparently went bankrupt (news to me). So, again, where's the bias there?

The bias is on the part of the audience. The audience for AM radio talk shows includes mostly conservatives and liberals tend to favor FM programming. When Air America went on AM they were a format in search of an audience whereas conservative programming found out that there was a vast audience in search of such programming.

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

If you were to try to prove a left-wing bias to me, you're not doing a good job of it by saying that the left-wing pundits in radio went bankrupt, while right-wing pundits continue to rule the ratings. You haven't presented any evidence, except evidence (such as FOX having as much ratings as its competitors combined) arguing against your own thesis.

The fact that FOX News can obtain as much as a 60 share of the news audience while CNN, ABC, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, PBS, HLN, BBC America and etc. share the remaining 40 share speaks volumes about bias. If theother networks put business ahead of ideology they'd program to target that big, juicy audience that FOX has.

But no, they'd rather try to have FOX silenced and try to force people back to them instead of doing programming that people want to see.

Frankly, I'd love to watch a more professional news program than FOX offers. However, I can't stomach watching crap that insults me for being a conservative. And millions of people feel the same way I do.

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Yes, these are businesses, ultimately. Highly competitive businesses with extremely tight profit margins. That's another argument against a liberal MSM. I'd argue that media owners are more concerned with how to sell the most ads than they are about the propaganda worth of their news.

Yet where's the conservative programming that can compete with FOX? If bias was not an issue I'd expect that one of the other networks would've changed direction by now to snap up some of FOXs' audience. For some reason they're taking a pass on billions in revenue.

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

It's been my experience that the further people are from the political centre, the more strongly they are likely to see a media bias in the opposite direction. Call it Zip's Theory of Media Relativity (c).

As to your question, I don't care for any of the networks. I don't watch TV news. It's horrible. My main news source is CKA and it's a darned fine one!

My main sources for news are (in order) CKA, Google News, and Free Republic. I don't post at FR anymore because they are lockstep ideologues but I do read the Breaking News section on RSS because those people are awesome at reporting things like viruses and other important tech news which I need to know.

[BartSimpson]

raydan raydan:

By definition, all extremists are either far left or far right... none in the middle.

On the other side of things, absent the extremists there'd never be revolutions and we'd all be ruled by monarchies or dictators.

[raydan]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

raydan raydan:

By definition, all extremists are either far left or far right... none in the middle.

On the other side of things, absent the extremists there'd never be revolutions and we'd all be ruled by monarchies or dictators.

Nope... if you absent extremists, you absent dictators, who by rule, are all extremists, along with bad Kings and Queens, the good ones were all in the middle.

[Zipperfish]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

The bias is on the part of the audience. The audience for AM radio talk shows includes mostly conservatives and liberals tend to favor FM programming. When Air America went on AM they were a format in search of an audience whereas conservative programming found out that there was a vast audience in search of such programming.

This is all speculation as to people's motives and desires, and you don't present any evidence to support it. Liberals favour FM? Why? What proof?

Fact: Almost all the top rated radio shows in the US are conservatvie, which is evidence against your left-wing MSM hypothesis.

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

The fact that FOX News can obtain as much as a 60 share of the news audience while CNN, ABC, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, PBS, HLN, BBC America and etc. share the remaining 40 share speaks volumes about bias. If theother networks put business ahead of ideology they'd program to target that big, juicy audience that FOX has.

But no, they'd rather try to have FOX silenced and try to force people back to them instead of doing programming that people want to see.

So, by that logic, if FOX had 100 share of the news audience--if everyone wacthed FOX News--then that would show an even larger liberal bias? And you haven't shown me any evidence that all the other networks are liberal. I watch CNN now and then, and it doesn't seem that liberal to me.

Again, apart from speculation as to motives of others, you don't have much of a case and the fact is that conservatives have--by your numbers--a 60 share of network news, and dominance of news radio. And yet we're supposed to believe that the MSM is left leaning? Why is FOX not considered MSM with a 60 share?