[andyt]

jeff744 jeff744:

Do you know what anti-immigration causes? Look at Saskatchewan and Alberta and you will see two provinces completely crippled, not by the economies, but by a lack of manpower. We need mass immigrants to sustain our increasingly educated workforce.......

I never once stated I defend illegal immigrants

It sure sounds like you're defending illegal immigration, since she is one.

What education does she possess that Canadians don't have? We still have an offical unemployment rate of 7.6%. That translates to an actual rate of at least twice that much if you count people who have quite looking or are underemployed. Why do we need to import people when our own are out of jobs? Why are we importing 280,000 temp workers on top of the 280,000 immigrants we get annually to drive down wages and working conditions?

And in this woman's case, what defense is there? She settled here illegally, probably didn't pay taxes on the money she earned while working here, but now wants health care to take care of her problems. I suggest we spend some more money on her - for a ticket to the next plane to Grenada, and let the Grenadian system take care of her health care needs.

[jeff744]

andyt andyt:

jeff744 jeff744:

Do you know what anti-immigration causes? Look at Saskatchewan and Alberta and you will see two provinces completely crippled, not by the economies, but by a lack of manpower. We need mass immigrants to sustain our increasingly educated workforce.......

I never once stated I defend illegal immigrants

It sure sounds like you're defending illegal immigration, since she is one.

What education does she possess that Canadians don't have? We still have an offical unemployment rate of 7.6%. That translates to an actual rate of at least twice that much if you count people who have quite looking or are underemployed. Why do we need to import people when our own are out of jobs? Why are we importing 280,000 temp workers on top of the 280,000 immigrants we get annually to drive down wages and working conditions?

And in this woman's case, what defense is there? She settled here illegally, probably didn't pay taxes on the money she earned while working here, but now wants health care to take care of her problems. I suggest we spend some more money on her - for a ticket to the next plane to Grenada, and let the Grenadian system take care of her health care needs.

Read what I said again.

jeff744 jeff744:

martin14 martin14:

The only reson we havent been paying so far is this twit didnt pay the 50 dollar application fee ?

Send her home.

She is applying again.

Sad that a woman that clearly plans to stay for good and become a resident isn't getting the care but also good that she isn't being covered as a result of not becoming a resident sooner and only wanting to get permanent resident for the health care. Make one exception and it opens the floodgates for hundreds or thousands of people to do the same thing and drain a system being funded by long time residents.

[martin14]

jeff744 jeff744:

Sad that a woman that clearly plans to stay for good and become a resident isn't getting the care but also good that she isn't being covered as a result of not becoming a resident sooner and only wanting to get permanent resident for the health care. Make one exception and it opens the floodgates for hundreds or thousands of people to do the same thing and drain a system being funded by long time residents.

Yup, Jeffie is clearly happy to let her stay, irregardless of her criminal
behaviour in Canada.

[herbie]

There's a damned good chance the Supreme Court will reverse this ruling. The Charter is pretty specific as to what is for "Canadian Citizens only", mainly the right to vote and the right to enter and leave the country.
"Everyone" most likely includes illegal immigrants.

So address the real problem. WTF is she still doing here? Why are we wasting time in Court when a plane ticket to whence she came is probably only $1000? Boot her ass out, and do it now!

[Brenda]

herbie herbie:

Why are we wasting time in Court when a plane ticket to whence she came is probably only $1000? Boot her ass out, and do it now!

One way tickets are VERY expensive tho!

[Freakinoldguy]

jeff744 jeff744:

Do you know what anti-immigration causes? Look at Saskatchewan and Alberta and you will see two provinces completely crippled, not by the economies, but by a lack of manpower. We need mass immigrants to sustain our increasingly educated workforce but of course you conservatives are completely blind to that and are perfectly happy putting people with university degrees in McDonalds because the lack of manpower forced closes in jobs they would normally get.

Correct me if I'm wrong but, you're saying Saskatchewan has a labour shortage because of immigration policies and not the fact that half of Saskatchewan moved to other parts of Canada to find work?

If that's really the case could you explain why alot of them moved out of the province to get away from Big Red Al and his failed policies of Nationalising the potash industry, regressive taxes and Ala Chavez, starting the Saskatchewan Gas and Oil Corporation

So to say that there's a labour shortage in these provinces because of a lack of untrained immigrants isn't really true.

There is a labour shortage in these provinces because there were no jobs so people left and now that there are more jobs than people, Canadians will start to move to these places to work.

It's been going on for decades and will continue without bringing in thousands upon thousands of immigrants to work at menial jobs so you don't have to.

[jeff744]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

jeff744 jeff744:

Do you know what anti-immigration causes? Look at Saskatchewan and Alberta and you will see two provinces completely crippled, not by the economies, but by a lack of manpower. We need mass immigrants to sustain our increasingly educated workforce but of course you conservatives are completely blind to that and are perfectly happy putting people with university degrees in McDonalds because the lack of manpower forced closes in jobs they would normally get.

Correct me if I'm wrong but, you're saying Saskatchewan has a labour shortage because of immigration policies and not the fact that half of Saskatchewan moved to other parts of Canada to find work?

If that's really the case could you explain why alot of them moved out of the province to get away from Big Red Al and his failed policies of Nationalising the potash industry, regressive taxes and Ala Chavez, starting the Saskatchewan Gas and Oil Corporation

So to say that there's a labour shortage in these provinces because of a lack of untrained immigrants isn't really true.

There is a labour shortage in these provinces because there were no jobs so people left and now that there are more jobs than people, Canadians will start to move to these places to work.

It's been going on for decades and will continue without bringing in thousands upon thousands of immigrants to work at menial jobs so you don't have to.

There were always jobs around here, the difference was that the higher paying jobs were on the oil rigs (they would work on the rigs but live in Sask) which are slowing down a lot and laying off workers that are moving back but still is not even close to enough as both Sask and Alberta have critical shortages of workers. We have always had an unskilled worker shortage, skilled labour is forced to leave because there is no unskilled to boost the economy and create more skilled jobs.

Oh, and nationalizing Potash was a good move, it stabilized world prices and stopped all the ongoing mines from forcing eachother out of business after the less drastic measures were shut down by the federal government. We tried to set up a deal where the price would at least be somewhat stabilized but the companies complained to the feds who shut the deal down and as a result caused the nationalization, even then they almost killed that deal too.

[Thanos]

If an immigrant isn't going to be in a position to both sustain himself and to contribute his share of taxes after two years of Canadian residency then they shouldn't have been allowed in to begin with. This is where the screening process is so totally flawed. Too many of them come here unskilled or show up with useless or falsified skill/education certificates that aren't worth the paper they're printed on. I've seen too many of these clowns show up at Fort McMurray and other place, claiming that they're quality inspectors or other things. They show up at a rig or pit site dressed in suits and ties, look totally baffled when they have to put on coveralls and steel-toes, and then practically shit themselves when they have to get occasionally dirty instead of sitting in the office all day clowning on the computer. Then whoever's hired them finds out damn quick that all they have is some very basic book knowledge at best. Ask them to go look at welds or monitor gauges or other instruments and the look you get from them is identical to that of a bird just before it smashes itself to death against a window pane. These allegedly 'skilled' workers are fucking useless and everyone, especially the government, is too goddamn PC pussy-whipped to even say it out loud.

And the elderly parents/grandparents/etc that are never going to work in Canada, and that aren't going to ever contribute a single penny in taxes, should be banned altogether. Unless the immigrant can support the seniors on their own, and have to provide some sort of private medical coverage as well for these folks, then that's it too. The immigrant that shows up to work is a net benefit. The ones that merely suck up billions of social services dollars without giving anything back at all should be permanently disqualified from entry into Canada altogether.

[Benn]

Send her home, as the law says she should be 12 YEARS AGO!!! Lets deal with the first issue then we'll move onto the rest, which of course would be moot since she'd no longer be in or ever be allowed to be back in Canada.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

jeff744 jeff744:

Do you know what anti-immigration causes? Look at Saskatchewan and Alberta and you will see two provinces completely crippled, not by the economies, but by a lack of manpower. We need mass immigrants to sustain our increasingly educated workforce but of course you conservatives are completely blind to that and are perfectly happy putting people with university degrees in McDonalds because the lack of manpower forced closes in jobs they would normally get.

And more immigrants are going to solve that how? Considering the bulk of 'em settle in Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver, not sure how that's gonna help Sask. and Alta.

[bootlegga]

Thanos Thanos:

^

If they couldn't sustain themselves in the long term then they shouldn't have been let into Canada in the first place. Our medical system wouldn't be under half the strain it is now if we didn't end up being stuck caring for the elderly non-taxpaying relatives that immigrants bring with them to Canada. Maybe some lefties like you think this sort of thing is all big hearted and wonderful. The rest of us that can actually look past the sloganeering of the NDP and the pap that Trudeau shovelled down our throats know for a fact that it's exactly this sort of liberalist nonsense that's someday going to collapse the system altogether.

You want to know where angry reactionary conservatism comes from, buddy? You know, the hyper-dangerous kind that's ripping apart the United States right now? It comes from liberals and leftists like you who think up this high-priced garbage, force everyone else to pay for it, and then can't even bother to admit that you were horribly wrong when it blows up in your smug liberal faces and turns into a financial catastrophe that afflicts entire generations of Canadian taxpayers. You clowns knock it off with this sort of grasping, statist, ever-expanding-government bullshit and reactionary conservatism loses it's reason for being overnight. But that'll never happen, will it? You guys are never wrong, are you?

Sorry Thanos, but the family class immigrants you're talking about comprise only about 10% of all immigration (about 25,000 out of 250,000+), and not all of those are elderly, many of them are spouses and children of the original applicant.

Take a gander at the CIC website - if you want to get your parents in, the wait takes several years. Just to get sponsorship approval takes almost four years (45 months) - and it's getting longer and longer everyday. Then you have to get in line to get an immigration visa, which takes almost as long.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/informatio ... erm-fc.asp

Sorry, but the Family class immigrant is a strawman...the baby boom dictated that health care/retirement costs were going to vastly increase when the boomers began to retire.

The government knew health care and the baby boomers were going to become a serious liability as far back as the late 50s - when they created RRSPs - the idea being that taxes from RRSPs cashed in (beginning in 2011 BTW assuming retirement at 65) when the boomers retired would alleviate some of the costs of their retirement and health care.

[DerbyX]

bootlegga bootlegga:

Sorry Thanos, but the family class immigrants you're talking about comprise only about 10% of all immigration (about 25,000 out of 250,000+), and not all of those are elderly, many of them are spouses and children of the original applicant.

Take a gander at the CIC website - if you want to get your parents in, the wait takes several years. Just to get sponsorship approval takes almost four years (45 months) - and it's getting longer and longer everyday. Then you have to get in line to get an immigration visa, which takes almost as long.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/informatio ... erm-fc.asp

Sorry, but the Family class immigrant is a strawman...the baby boom dictated that health care/retirement costs were going to vastly increase when the boomers began to retire.

The government knew health care and the baby boomers were going to become a serious liability as far back as the late 50s - when they created RRSPs - the idea being that taxes from RRSPs cashed in (beginning in 2011 BTW assuming retirement at 65) when the boomers retired would alleviate some of the costs of their retirement and health care.

Bang on again! Seems left leaning liberals are correct and the rabid conservatives are wrong again. 2 for 2 today Boots.

[andyt]

Target for 2010 for family class immigrants = 65,000. Total number of immigrants in 2010: 245,000 - 265,000. 65/265=24.5%

I have no problems with immigrants bringing in their spouses and dependent children. But not their parents and grandparents. We don't need those.

[DerbyX]

andyt andyt:

Target for 2010 for family class immigrants = 65,000. Total number of immigrants in 2010: 245,000 - 265,000. 65/265=24.5%

I have no problems with immigrants bringing in their spouses and dependent children. But not their parents and grandparents. We don't need those.

Want to guess what % of them who do bring in their elderly parents actually take care of them in their own home? A far greater % then our own society. I worked in the long term care (re geriatric) wards. Filled with white neglected elderly, not immigrants. In most cases the elderly live with the kids and help with child rearing as their society has done for centuries.

[andyt]

DerbyX DerbyX:

andyt andyt:

Target for 2010 for family class immigrants = 65,000. Total number of immigrants in 2010: 245,000 - 265,000. 65/265=24.5%

I have no problems with immigrants bringing in their spouses and dependent children. But not their parents and grandparents. We don't need those.

Want to guess what % of them who do bring in their elderly parents actually take care of them in their own home? A far greater % then our own society. I worked in the long term care (re geriatric) wards. Filled with white neglected elderly, not immigrants. In most cases the elderly live with the kids and help with child rearing as their society has done for centuries.

And they pay for their medical care too, do they. And the old age supplement the parents receive? We certainly don't need to be importing a bunch of old people who have never paid taxes here.