[DerbyX]

Gunnair Gunnair:

I think the issue is, that focusing on the biology conception and reproduction is a sneaky way about not teaching about the biology of sexual orientation.

You beat me to it! Who says scotch slows the reflexes?

[Gunnair]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Gunnair Gunnair:

I think the issue is, that focusing on the biology conception and reproduction is a sneaky way about not teaching about the biology of sexual orientation.

You beat me to it! Who says scotch slows the reflexes?

Scotch does what now?

[DerbyX]

Gunnair Gunnair:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Gunnair Gunnair:

I think the issue is, that focusing on the biology conception and reproduction is a sneaky way about not teaching about the biology of sexual orientation.

You beat me to it! Who says scotch slows the reflexes?

Scotch does what now?

Whiskey makes this:

look like this:

[PublicAnimalNo9]

DerbyX DerbyX:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

$1:

Under the proposal approved 20-10 on Friday, any instruction or materials at a public elementary or middle school will be "limited exclusively to age-appropriate natural human reproduction science."

Seriously, people have a problem with this????

DerbyX DerbyX:

And the rampant homophobia marches on ...

Really? And just how does one go about teaching homosexual reproduction?

Yeah, actually because its yet another [i]carefully[i] worded attempt to ban homosexuality.

$1:

Republican Senate sponsor Stacey Campfield of Knoxville says "homosexuals don't naturally reproduce."

Right so we won't talk about "safe sex" in that regard because the awful gays can't have kids.

I distinctly recall lectures about safe sex and unsafe sex where the lecturer talked about rimming and fisting. Is that natural reproduction?

See this for what it is. It is a hysterical attack on homosexuality. What about getting information to homosexual teens about safe sex? Are you afraid the info will help "convert them"?

Yeah Derby, despite the fairly decent size number of posts I've made defending gays and gay rights, that's exactly what I'm afraid of ('tard)
Besides, try reading a little better, it applies to elementary and middle school.
Although the normal age of gr.8 students is 13-14, the BULK of those teen years in school will be in high school. This bill does NOT affect what high schools can teach. Seems like you're reaching for something that isn't really there.

Those lecture you atteneded, did you attend them in Grade 5? Do ya really think lectures about rimming and fisting are appropriate for ANY pre-teen, regardless of gender preference???

[Freakinoldguy]

$1:

A measure that would prohibit the teaching of homosexuality in Tennessee public schools has passed the Senate.

WTF?

Teaching homosexuality?

[DerbyX]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Yeah Derby, despite the fairly decent size number of posts I've made defending gays and gay rights, that's exactly what I'm afraid of ('tard)

Have you?

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Besides, try reading a little better, it applies to elementary and middle school.
Although the normal age of gr.8 students is 13-14, the BULK of those teen years in school will be in high school. This bill does NOT affect what high schools can teach. Seems like you're reaching for something that isn't really there.

So what? first off, if you can't read the homophobic hysteria endemic to the bill well then holy moly.

Why even put it forth but out of fear and bigotry? Its not like they are correcting curriculum for students unable to grasp the concept. It is clearly a bill designed to prevent teaching the "unnatural" fact of homosexuality.

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Those lecture you atteneded, did you attend them in Grade 5? Do ya really think lectures about rimming and fisting are appropriate for ANY pre-teen, regardless of gender preference???

No but the basics of my middle school education included the whole "loving couple" angle.

How can you not see this is simply homophobia that will see it passed for higher grades as well?

[PublicAnimalNo9]

DerbyX DerbyX:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Yeah Derby, despite the fairly decent size number of posts I've made defending gays and gay rights, that's exactly what I'm afraid of ('tard)

DerbyX DerbyX:

Have you?

No Derb, I just said that for shits and giggles

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Besides, try reading a little better, it applies to elementary and middle school.
Although the normal age of gr.8 students is 13-14, the BULK of those teen years in school will be in high school. This bill does NOT affect what high schools can teach. Seems like you're reaching for something that isn't really there.

DerbyX DerbyX:

So what? first off, if you can't read the homophobic hysteria endemic to the bill well then holy moly.

Why even put it forth but out of fear and bigotry? Its not like they are correcting curriculum for students unable to grasp the concept. It is clearly a bill designed to prevent teaching the "unnatural" fact of homosexuality.

It's a bill clearly designed to prevent teaching ANY "unnatural" acts until a certain age. Does a 10-14 yr old really need to know more than just the basics? If you want your kid to know about fellatio and cunnilingus or anything more "advanced" than that, don't be a pussy and expect the school to teach them, parent up and do the job yourself!

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Those lecture you atteneded, did you attend them in Grade 5? Do ya really think lectures about rimming and fisting are appropriate for ANY pre-teen, regardless of gender preference???

DerbyX DerbyX:

No but the basics of my middle school education included the whole "loving couple" angle.

The basics of my middle school education didn't include any form of sex ed outside of reproduction in science class, so what are you complaining about?

DerbyX DerbyX:

How can you not see this is simply homophobia that will see it passed for higher grades as well?

Oh please, can the hysterics. If that was gonna happen, they'd have banned it from ALL TN schools in one fell swoop.
But hey, if you think it's appropo to discuss rimming and fisting with 10 yr olds, even in a classroom setting, well then you and I have nothing further to discuss here.

[Unsound]

Man, I never had a lecture on rimming or fisting. Should I complain to someone?

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Unsound Unsound:

Man, I never had a lecture on rimming or fisting. Should I complain to someone?

Just send $50** and a self addressed stamped envelop to Dr. Puberty's Advanced Sex Ed program and he'll send you a nice, full colour, tri-panel pamphlet and an instructional DVD.

**Tell him you got ripped off in school and he'll only charge you $30

[Khar]

I recommend birthing lubricant for the practical parts of the course, Unsound. At least for the first time, until you learn to arch your back correctly. You'll learn to like it -- I hear the end part of the course involves you convincing the instructor that you do for the finals.

Not terribly impressed, but also not terribly worried, either. I don't remember, nor have I ever heard, of any early sexual education class including much discussion on homosexuality. However, I am of the opinion that limiting what can be discussed in class is a bad thing, and see little reason why a class on sexual education should be limited purely to reproduction and not to the broader implications of sexual health. My course did when I first started in grade 3, and onwards through my time in school. Indeed, this would not cover high schools, and I don't even remember hearing about it then (although by that point emphasis was more on mapping the female hormonal system during pregnancy than sexuality in my biology class).

On the other hand, I am not sure I would actually trust the teachers to adequately teach the subject should it come up in the classes beyond the bare bones, and this is a solid way of avoiding lawsuits and such similar to what happened with the evolution in schools case. Two recent threads adequately demonstrate what happens in the transition from science into mainstream media or perception, the thread about the UN population growth (where the "if" in the title is ignored) and the thread on cancer being cured (when that "cure" is barely in clinical trials for one type of cancer).

I'm more concerned that it sets a precedent which can be acted on in the future, a precedent I am entirely uncomfortable in seeing present in the American legal system. With homosexuality being an important issue in regards to military service, historical accounts and current events (let alone the lexicon of today's kids which makes use of some slang which used to be used to describe homosexuals) it is not exactly a topic which should be covered over either.

Unlike evolution, we do not have the plethora of evidence to readily leap into the discussion with, one of the reasons why most professional websites on the topic use lines which indicate that homosexuality is likely predominantly caused by biological factors, without actually saying it is for certain. Evidence suggests that it is hereditary. However, we do not have the damning proof of a gene or gene set to show that it is genetic. Unfortunately, this tends to lend undeserved credence to positions that homosexuality is a decision. Ignoring the issue does more damage to our education system, since it's meant to educate these kids in part for the world, and that includes understanding current events.

Unfortunately, all it needs is one teacher to say "choice" or "genetic" and the entire situation blows to hell. Alternative lifestyles, including religion, sex, ethics, ethnic tensions or other such topics, were reserved for later years for me. We didn't even really delve into communism/socialism until high school, for example, nor was the FLQ, Mormon beliefs, driving philosophers of the 18th and 19th century, and so forth brought up until then either. While we had heard mention of it before, discussion on it has been brought short. I wonder, if this does pass in the House as well, how it would take shape... although to be honest, I would rather a bill like this, which does approach some level of phobic inclinations, was not introduced to the American schooling system.

[Unsound]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Unsound Unsound:

Man, I never had a lecture on rimming or fisting. Should I complain to someone?

Just send $50** and a self addressed stamped envelop to Dr. Puberty's Advanced Sex Ed program and he'll send you a nice, full colour, tri-panel pamphlet and an instructional DVD.

**Tell him you got ripped off in school and he'll only charge you $30

I was gonna do this, but it turns out a simple google search will turn up all kinds of educational material on fisting and rimming. For free!!! I was very surprised, I didn't know the internet could be so useful.

[Brenda]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

DerbyX DerbyX:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Yeah Derby, despite the fairly decent size number of posts I've made defending gays and gay rights, that's exactly what I'm afraid of ('tard)

DerbyX DerbyX:

Have you?

No Derb, I just said that for shits and giggles

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Besides, try reading a little better, it applies to elementary and middle school.
Although the normal age of gr.8 students is 13-14, the BULK of those teen years in school will be in high school. This bill does NOT affect what high schools can teach. Seems like you're reaching for something that isn't really there.

DerbyX DerbyX:

So what? first off, if you can't read the homophobic hysteria endemic to the bill well then holy moly.

Why even put it forth but out of fear and bigotry? Its not like they are correcting curriculum for students unable to grasp the concept. It is clearly a bill designed to prevent teaching the "unnatural" fact of homosexuality.

It's a bill clearly designed to prevent teaching ANY "unnatural" acts until a certain age. Does a 10-14 yr old really need to know more than just the basics? If you want your kid to know about fellatio and cunnilingus or anything more "advanced" than that, don't be a pussy and expect the school to teach them, parent up and do the job yourself!

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Those lecture you atteneded, did you attend them in Grade 5? Do ya really think lectures about rimming and fisting are appropriate for ANY pre-teen, regardless of gender preference???

DerbyX DerbyX:

No but the basics of my middle school education included the whole "loving couple" angle.

The basics of my middle school education didn't include any form of sex ed outside of reproduction in science class, so what are you complaining about?

DerbyX DerbyX:

How can you not see this is simply homophobia that will see it passed for higher grades as well?

Oh please, can the hysterics. If that was gonna happen, they'd have banned it from ALL TN schools in one fell swoop.
But hey, if you think it's appropo to discuss rimming and fisting with 10 yr olds, even in a classroom setting, well then you and I have nothing further to discuss here.

Hmmm, I don't want to be bitching or something, but I have a kid in grade 5 and one in grade 7. They already know all this stuff, and I cannot imagine the school taught them. I talk about it with them when they have questions, or are being inappropriate, but please, do not underestimate the power of peers.

As for the basics, they knew from the day they were born (basicly) where children come from, I want them to know what can happen when you do what, and how to prevent mistakes from happening. I think it is very important that they do not do things they are uncomfortable with, and imo, knowledge is power. So far, so good...

[PostFactum]

So how to call them?

[BartSimpson]

DerbyX DerbyX:

And the rampant homophobia marches on ...

No, they're simply preventing the kind of 'sex education' from happening in Tennessee that's been happening elsewhere.

Let children be children.

[Brenda]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DerbyX DerbyX:

And the rampant homophobia marches on ...

No, they're simply preventing the kind of 'sex education' from happening in Tennessee that's been happening elsewhere.

Let children be children.

So teaching them where children come from and how they are made is ok, the technicalities, that is, but the feelings and relationship that (have to) come with it is a no-no?

So you are just teaching "penis, meet vagina, puke, get pregnant, give birth", but not the falling in love part, not the touching, kissing, cuddling, use of condoms and other forms of birth control, not about safe sex, not about not doing things you are not ready for yet, not about what when you don't fall for (are attracted to) the opposite sex, but only the technicalities of reproduction?
THAT is just bullshit. That is just not enough. Simple.