[OnTheIce]

Brenda Brenda:

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

Brenda Brenda:

But, why would you at all?

Because it can become infected. My brother inlaw had it happen, it's actually quite common.

Everything can become infected, but the fact that it can shouldn't be a reason to cut it off. A toe nail can get infected, shall we take all nails off?
When it does, it's early enough...

(I'm actually playing devils advocate here, because I don't really care either way...)

Who would've thunk that my 40k post would be about circumcision...

It prevents infection and the secondary effect is that it looks 100x better than the "uncut" look.

[Proculation]

The real question is: what about the Jews ?

[dino_bobba_renno]

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[Brenda]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Brenda Brenda:

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

Because it can become infected. My brother inlaw had it happen, it's actually quite common.

Everything can become infected, but the fact that it can shouldn't be a reason to cut it off. A toe nail can get infected, shall we take all nails off?
When it does, it's early enough...

(I'm actually playing devils advocate here, because I don't really care either way...)

Who would've thunk that my 40k post would be about circumcision...

It prevents infection and the secondary effect is that it looks 100x better than the "uncut" look.

It is not a "normal" thing to do in The Netherlands ( it is a typical North American thing, other than a Jewish and Muslim thing), and I knew VERY few men who had it infected. Cleanliness is the key, not a piece of skin.

[dino_bobba_renno]

I think it should be a personal choice, not governed by some law that imposes on personal freedoms.

If they want to talk about unnecessary operations they should take on the cosmetic surgery industry.

[Brenda]

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

I think it should be a personal choice, not governed by some law that imposes on personal freedoms.

If they want to talk about unnecessary operations they should take on the cosmetic surgery industry.

Those are all adults. If you want a circumcision as an adult, all the power to you. Just don't do it to your baby, who doesn't have a say.

I don't think babies would get an unnecessary nose job or boob implant, just because mommy tells the doc "it's religious tradition"...

[dino_bobba_renno]

Brenda Brenda:

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

I think it should be a personal choice, not governed by some law that imposes on personal freedoms.

If they want to talk about unnecessary operations they should take on the cosmetic surgery industry.

Those are all adults. If you want a circumcision as an adult, all the power to you. Just don't do it to your baby, who doesn't have a say.

I don't think babies would get an unnecessary nose job or boob implant, just because mommy tells the doc "it's religious tradition"...

What's wrong with giving a baby a circumcision? Does it somehow emotionally scar the kid for life? Anyone here who can remember being circumcised please raise your hand.

Getting it done later in life is really not a great option. It's a personal choice thing for families and should stay that way.

[Brenda]

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

Brenda Brenda:

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

I think it should be a personal choice, not governed by some law that imposes on personal freedoms.

If they want to talk about unnecessary operations they should take on the cosmetic surgery industry.

Those are all adults. If you want a circumcision as an adult, all the power to you. Just don't do it to your baby, who doesn't have a say.

I don't think babies would get an unnecessary nose job or boob implant, just because mommy tells the doc "it's religious tradition"...

What's wrong with giving a baby a circumcision? Does it somehow emotionally scar the kid for life? Anyone here who can remember being circumcised please raise your hand.

Getting it done later in life is really not a great option. It's a personal choice thing for families and should stay that way.

It's unnecessary.
Why would you be allowed to put a kid through an unnecessary medical procedure?

[dino_bobba_renno]

Brenda Brenda:

It's unnecessary.
Why would you be allowed to put a kid through an unnecessary medical procedure?

It's not completely without merit. Like I mentioned having problems later on in life is fairly common. Some can be treated with medication other cases not.

If you disagree that’s fine but it doesn't give you a right to decide what’s best for someone else’s kid. It's a personal choice. Those who don't agree with it would be better served doing some type of educational thing than trying to create a law to ban it.

I think it's wrong to pierce a babies ears but I don't think there needs to be a law against it.

[Brenda]

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

Brenda Brenda:

It's unnecessary.
Why would you be allowed to put a kid through an unnecessary medical procedure?

It's not completely without merit. Like I mentioned having problems later on in life is fairly common. Some can be treated with medication other cases not.

I call bullshit.
Like I said, it is not done in The Netherlands, and I know no one who had problems later in life. I know a few boys whose foreskin was too tight, so they got circumcised, but again, that was a medical necessity, because they could not keep it clean.

$1:

If you disagree that’s fine but it doesn't give you a right to decide what’s best for someone else’s kid. It's a personal choice.

It is a medical choice, so the doctor should make that decision, not a parent. Unless you have no problem with female circumcision either? Or just amputating a hand because there is a spot on there? Or a toe, because a nail could grow in?

$1:

Those who don't agree with it would be better served doing some type of educational thing than trying to create a law to ban it.

Education is always a good thing, and does go both ways.

$1:

I think it's wrong to pierce a babies ears but I don't think there needs to be a law against it.

Can hardly compare the 2...

[dino_bobba_renno]

Brenda Brenda:

Like I said, it is not done in The Netherlands, and I know no one who had problems later in life.

Umm, so just how do you know how many guys in the Netherlands were circumcised. Something you would like to share with us Bren?

Brenda Brenda:

I know a few boys whose foreskin was too tight, so they got circumcised, but again, that was a medical necessity, because they could not keep it clean.

I think it was really a problem more so in the past. It still happens though. Balanoposthitis, the foreskin being too tight (phimosis), urinary tract infections are just a few possibilities. It’s a form of preventative medicine. It may not be as necessary as it was in the past but again it’s a personal choice.

Brenda Brenda:

Unless you have no problem with female circumcision either?

Woooh holder there Bren, female circumcision is a completely different topic. Name me one benefit to circumcising a female. That is done for completely different Neanderthal f’d up reasons.
As you said with piercing, you can hardly compare the two.

[Brenda]

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

Brenda Brenda:

Like I said, it is not done in The Netherlands, and I know no one who had problems later in life.

Umm, so just how do you know how many guys in the Netherlands were circumcised. Something you would like to share with us Bren?

Ya don't wanna know

Seriously tho, my sister in law is Jewish, and my brother said "NO" to her wanting to circumcise their sons. It is just not done without medical necessity. I was told that here, you get asked if you want it done. That is just a question you do not get in the Netherlands.

$1:

Brenda Brenda:

I know a few boys whose foreskin was too tight, so they got circumcised, but again, that was a medical necessity, because they could not keep it clean.

I think it was really a problem more so in the past. It still happens though. Balanoposthitis, the foreskin being too tight (phimosis), urinary tract infections are just a few possibilities. It’s a form of preventative medicine. It may not be as necessary as it was in the past but again it’s a personal choice.

Sure it happens still, but there is no reason to cut everybodies foreskin off just because some might get problems at some point, maybe.
It is also a personal choice to drink and drive, but that is illegal...

$1:

Brenda Brenda:

Unless you have no problem with female circumcision either?

Woooh holder there Bren, female circumcision is a completely different topic. Name me one benefit to circumcising a female. That is done for completely different Neanderthal f’d up reasons.
As you said with piercing, you can hardly compare the two.

Fair enough.

[dino_bobba_renno]

You know I could see if there was some type of health concern with circumcision such as a higher rate of infection or if there were a bunch of grown up guys sitting around going “gee, I really wish I had my foreskin back” but there isn’t. Vasectomies aren’t surgically necessary but there’s no law against them. Mind you there should be, there’s no reason to mess with any guy’s man juice.

I just don’t think there’s enough reason to create a law about this. If they want to make a law outlaw baby beauty pageants, that’s far more twisted than a little snip and cut on the ol’ dingaling.

Oh and on the drinking and driving thing, I promise if I have a boy and the doctor shows up drunk for the circumcision with a scalpel in his hand I will definitely take my baby else where.

[FieryVulpine]

I hear the only reason why circumcision became popular in the United States was because of the popular belief that it stopped young men from masturbating. How well did that work out?

[ShepherdsDog]

Are you asking for a show of hands? Actually the stated reason was more about hygiene, and studies at the time showed that removing the foreskin lowered the risk for certain cancers of the penis.