[Gunnair]

putz putz:

SprCForr SprCForr:

Me either. You know the ones who'll belly ache the loudest? The same ones that spend thier CUA on stuff other than uniform upkeep.

Yeah I suppose that's true. I guess the Cpl's/Pte living in 920 a month PMQ's with 3 kids and can't afford to live on the economy MUST be spending all there extra monies on the jacked up pickup trucks, home theaters, etc. You know its the I never had it so why should they/ I was never trained that way why should they/ It was this way when I went through so it should still be that way attitudes that are holding back the CF and causing guys to leave after 3-5 years in.

I am the sole income provider in my family, with 3 children. We can't afford child care to the tune of 600 a child a month. I got turned down for child care subsidy, ironically because my 675 PLD bumps my salary into the too much range. Now that its being included separately from pay maybe that will change something maybe not.

The Pte/Cpl's living in PMQs with three kids ought to plan when they can afford families and live within their means.

Some of those that were hitting food banks back in the 90s were OS/Ptes with a dependent wife and a kid or two. Frankly, they're free to do that, but don't expect the taxpayer to fork out extra cash so your wife can pump out sprogs and be a stay at home mom at the age of 22.

[SprCForr]

putz putz:

Yeah I suppose that's true. I guess the Cpl's/Pte living in 920 a month PMQ's with 3 kids and can't afford to live on the economy MUST be spending all there extra monies on the jacked up pickup trucks, home theaters, etc. You know its the I never had it so why should they/ I was never trained that way why should they/ It was this way when I went through so it should still be that way attitudes that are holding back the CF and causing guys to leave after 3-5 years in.

I am the sole income provider in my family, with 3 children. We can't afford child care to the tune of 600 a child a month. I got turned down for child care subsidy, ironically because my 675 PLD bumps my salary into the too much range. Now that its being included separately from pay maybe that will change something maybe not.

Whoa, reel your neck in sport. I was alluding to the bags of shit that were always missing kit, who used to piss their upkeep allowance away in booze.

The reduction of living in quarters 15 years ago, in an attempt to reduce infrastructure costs, pushed those tools out into the economy where they became eligible for PLD. That in turn, big surprise, subsidized their partying.

Having dealt with plenty of boneheads like that as recently as 2004, I fail to believe it's changed that dramatically in only 7 years. Nothing you've bleated about is any different than what I experienced, except the bonus of PLD. Losing that would be hard, yes, insurmountable, no, but you know as well as I do who the biggest fucking bitchers would be: Those same shitheads I pointed out before.

Further, PLD was one of the biggest drivers to CFHA raising PMQ rents comparable to the local economy. Losing PLD would in turn trigger CFHA to drop those rents in order to assist those who are in situation you point out.

Amazing, the more things change, the more they stay the same.

[putz]

Gunnair Gunnair:

putz putz:

SprCForr SprCForr:

Me either. You know the ones who'll belly ache the loudest? The same ones that spend thier CUA on stuff other than uniform upkeep.

Yeah I suppose that's true. I guess the Cpl's/Pte living in 920 a month PMQ's with 3 kids and can't afford to live on the economy MUST be spending all there extra monies on the jacked up pickup trucks, home theaters, etc. You know its the I never had it so why should they/ I was never trained that way why should they/ It was this way when I went through so it should still be that way attitudes that are holding back the CF and causing guys to leave after 3-5 years in.

I am the sole income provider in my family, with 3 children. We can't afford child care to the tune of 600 a child a month. I got turned down for child care subsidy, ironically because my 675 PLD bumps my salary into the too much range. Now that its being included separately from pay maybe that will change something maybe not.

The Pte/Cpl's living in PMQs with three kids ought to plan when they can afford families and live within their means.

Some of those that were hitting food banks back in the 90s were OS/Ptes with a dependent wife and a kid or two. Frankly, they're free to do that, but don't expect the taxpayer to fork out extra cash so your wife can pump out sprogs and be a stay at home mom at the age of 22.

Pretty bold words for someone that doesn't know my wife or family situation. You know what your right I guess cause I chose to have 3 kids (didn't and don't believe in abortion) and my wife decided to be a stay at home mom at 22 (she didn't) you have me pegged and because your from Edmonton (you are right cause you know so much about me I must know the same about you) you were obviously here when the housing boom in 2007 came to be almost over night. And of course you got promoted to help offset all the cost because with no deployments or field exercises you were around to take all the leadership courses that you had to get promoted, I know you are aware that some trades HAVE to take their leadership courses before they get promoted.

[putz]

SprCForr SprCForr:

putz putz:

Yeah I suppose that's true. I guess the Cpl's/Pte living in 920 a month PMQ's with 3 kids and can't afford to live on the economy MUST be spending all there extra monies on the jacked up pickup trucks, home theaters, etc. You know its the I never had it so why should they/ I was never trained that way why should they/ It was this way when I went through so it should still be that way attitudes that are holding back the CF and causing guys to leave after 3-5 years in.

I am the sole income provider in my family, with 3 children. We can't afford child care to the tune of 600 a child a month. I got turned down for child care subsidy, ironically because my 675 PLD bumps my salary into the too much range. Now that its being included separately from pay maybe that will change something maybe not.

Whoa, reel your neck in sport. I was alluding to the bags of shit that were always missing kit, who used to piss their upkeep allowance away in booze.

The reduction of living in quarters 15 years ago, in an attempt to reduce infrastructure costs, pushed those tools out into the economy where they became eligible for PLD. That in turn, big surprise, subsidized their partying.

Having dealt with plenty of boneheads like that as recently as 2004, I fail to believe it's changed that dramatically in only 7 years. Nothing you've bleated about is any different than what I experienced, except the bonus of PLD. Losing that would be hard, yes, insurmountable, no, but you know as well as I do who the biggest fucking bitchers would be: Those same shitheads I pointed out before.

Further, PLD was one of the biggest drivers to CFHA raising PMQ rents comparable to the local economy. Losing PLD would in turn trigger CFHA to drop those rents in order to assist those who are in situation you point out.

Amazing, the more things change, the more they stay the same.

I understand where your coming from. Cost of living now is higher then then it ever has been. You know and I know that your always going to have the abusive shitheads out and about. What I'm trying to say that on my base, more often then not, the PLD is being used in a manner that it is supposed to be.

[Gunnair]

putz putz:

Gunnair Gunnair:

putz putz:

Yeah I suppose that's true. I guess the Cpl's/Pte living in 920 a month PMQ's with 3 kids and can't afford to live on the economy MUST be spending all there extra monies on the jacked up pickup trucks, home theaters, etc. You know its the I never had it so why should they/ I was never trained that way why should they/ It was this way when I went through so it should still be that way attitudes that are holding back the CF and causing guys to leave after 3-5 years in.

I am the sole income provider in my family, with 3 children. We can't afford child care to the tune of 600 a child a month. I got turned down for child care subsidy, ironically because my 675 PLD bumps my salary into the too much range. Now that its being included separately from pay maybe that will change something maybe not.

The Pte/Cpl's living in PMQs with three kids ought to plan when they can afford families and live within their means.

Some of those that were hitting food banks back in the 90s were OS/Ptes with a dependent wife and a kid or two. Frankly, they're free to do that, but don't expect the taxpayer to fork out extra cash so your wife can pump out sprogs and be a stay at home mom at the age of 22.

Pretty bold words for someone that doesn't know my wife or family situation. You know what your right I guess cause I chose to have 3 kids (didn't and don't believe in abortion) and my wife decided to be a stay at home mom at 22 (she didn't) you have me pegged and because your from Edmonton (you are right cause you know so much about me I must know the same about you) you were obviously here when the housing boom in 2007 came to be almost over night. And of course you got promoted to help offset all the cost because with no deployments or field exercises you were around to take all the leadership courses that you had to get promoted, I know you are aware that some trades HAVE to take their leadership courses before they get promoted.

Yeah, the example was supposed to be about you.

I'll tell you what though, I had my kids when I could afford it (condoms and pills work wonders cause I'm no fan of using abortion either) my wife stayed home with our kid and made money where she could to supplement our income and our housing boom on the west coast was pretty spectacular too (though I know you haven't heard about it out there in Edmonton) and of course I'm in one of those trades that you require leadership courses for promotion (psst lots of them are like that). Add to that that half my time was on class B making 15% less and no PLD and I mannaged. So you can see my sympathy factor for those making 100% plus PLD and are still whining is pretty low.

Fact is, you may think your entitled to have the taxpayer subsidize your family choices, but it ain't so. Family takes planning, not pumping them out and hoping everything works out.

Feel free, though, to erroneously assume that I'm talking about your situation again in order to fuel another terrific bout of pique.

[putz]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Yeah, the example was supposed to be about you.

I'll tell you what though, I had my kids when I could afford it (condoms and pills work wonders cause I'm no fan of using abortion either) my wife stayed home with our kid and made money where she could to supplement our income and our housing boom on the west coast was pretty spectacular too (though I know you haven't heard about it out there in Edmonton) and of course I'm in one of those trades that you require leadership courses for promotion (psst lots of them are like that). Add to that that half my time was on class B making 15% less and no PLD and I managed. So you can see my sympathy factor for those making 100% plus PLD and are still whining is pretty low.

Fact is, you may think your entitled to have the taxpayer subsidize your family choices, but it ain't so. Family takes planning, not pumping them out and hoping everything works out.

Feel free, though, to erroneously assume that I'm talking about your situation again in order to fuel another terrific bout of pique.

Well if your going to roll everyone's situation into one generic example of course your going to get responses like that. I'm not going into my family planning in detail lets just say one was planned and 2 were not. Once again with the I managed so every one managed, this is the way it used to be arguments.

Entitled- never said that, not once. The point I'm trying to make is that the PLD gives you the chance to offset the rising costs of living. I'm sure you would love to live in Esquimalt with 825 less each month or Edmonton at 675 less each month.

[Freakinoldguy]

Interesting. I wonder if they'll remove it for the Senior Officers going to Staff College in Toronto, which, when you think about it is where the whole concept originated?

[Gunnair]

putz putz:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Yeah, the example was supposed to be about you.

I'll tell you what though, I had my kids when I could afford it (condoms and pills work wonders cause I'm no fan of using abortion either) my wife stayed home with our kid and made money where she could to supplement our income and our housing boom on the west coast was pretty spectacular too (though I know you haven't heard about it out there in Edmonton) and of course I'm in one of those trades that you require leadership courses for promotion (psst lots of them are like that). Add to that that half my time was on class B making 15% less and no PLD and I managed. So you can see my sympathy factor for those making 100% plus PLD and are still whining is pretty low.

Fact is, you may think your entitled to have the taxpayer subsidize your family choices, but it ain't so. Family takes planning, not pumping them out and hoping everything works out.

Feel free, though, to erroneously assume that I'm talking about your situation again in order to fuel another terrific bout of pique.

Well if your going to roll everyone's situation into one generic example of course your going to get responses like that. I'm not going into my family planning in detail lets just say one was planned and 2 were not. Once again with the I managed so every one managed, this is the way it used to be arguments.

Entitled- never said that, not once. The point I'm trying to make is that the PLD gives you the chance to offset the rising costs of living. I'm sure you would love to live in Esquimalt with 825 less each month or Edmonton at 675 less each month.

I already do, plus the 15% pay cut of class B. I ain't bitchin' and I live fine. If I can do it then so can others.

[SprCForr]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Interesting. I wonder if they'll remove it for the Senior Officers going to Staff College in Toronto, which, when you think about it is where the whole concept originated?

Yeah, that and NDHQ too, IIRC.

[Freakinoldguy]

SprCForr SprCForr:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Interesting. I wonder if they'll remove it for the Senior Officers going to Staff College in Toronto, which, when you think about it is where the whole concept originated?

Yeah, that and NDHQ too, IIRC.

The reason I remember Staff College was because they were claiming that TO was the most expensive place to live in Canada, until some wag gave them the numbers from Vancouver and Victoria. which, made it very hard to justify giving huge cost of living allowances to senior officers at Staff College while the troops living in more expensive places got nothing.

[SprCForr]

Those were the other two places that came to mind as well. I didn't really pay much attention because they were saying up front Chilliwack wasn't going to get it.

[Nuggie77]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

SprCForr SprCForr:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Interesting. I wonder if they'll remove it for the Senior Officers going to Staff College in Toronto, which, when you think about it is where the whole concept originated?

Yeah, that and NDHQ too, IIRC.

The reason I remember Staff College was because they were claiming that TO was the most expensive place to live in Canada, until some wag gave them the numbers from Vancouver and Victoria. which, made it very hard to justify giving huge cost of living allowances to senior officers at Staff College while the troops living in more expensive places got nothing.

NDHQ had their PLD eliminated quite a few years ago before I retired. Alluding to my earlier post, they were to be the first ones eliminated in 2008.

[SprCForr]

I had actually forgotten about that. I was yakking to one of the guys here and he reminded me of it as well as some other shit about Rockcliffe.

Gah, I hate losing touch but it's inevitable.