[bootlegga]

DerbyX DerbyX:

bootlegga bootlegga:

It's not just equalization Derby, it's everything else too (like political pork).

Toronto is getting almost a billion for the Pan-Am games, yet the Conservatives refused to give a penny for Edmonton to host Expo 2017. Harper and Co. have shovelled hundreds of millions (see above) into provinces/ridings where they want new seats, yet refuse to spend even close to that in their 'base' (AKA the West).

That's my point - Harper's motives are no better than Iggy's. At least Iggy is honest about his bias towards central Canada.

I don't see where Iggy has openly stated a bias for central Canada. I think Alberta has pretty much dictated a policy of bias for them.

While I agree mostly with you I find it very hard to be sympathetic (except for guys like you! ) for Alberta when it takes this attitude.

Hell its not even that they hate the Liberals, its that they won't vote anything else but conservatives. They don't alternate between the NDP & The CPC. Hell I don't think they even alternated between the PC and Reform/Alliance.

While he has never openly stated a bias towards central Canada, his policies reflect one.

[OnTheIce]

bootlegga bootlegga:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

bootlegga bootlegga:

It's not just equalization Derby, it's everything else too (like political pork).

Toronto is getting almost a billion for the Pan-Am games, yet the Conservatives refused to give a penny for Edmonton to host Expo 2017. Harper and Co. have shovelled hundreds of millions (see above) into provinces/ridings where they want new seats, yet refuse to spend even close to that in their 'base' (AKA the West).

That's my point - Harper's motives are no better than Iggy's. At least Iggy is honest about his bias towards central Canada.

Are we forgetting the 1.2+ billion for the Olympics?

Nope, just like I'm not forgetting the $1 billion for Toronto to host the G-20, $1 billion or so for the 2015 Pan-Am Games (Toronto again), or the $2.2 billion promised to Quebec for the HST, or any of the other mega pork deals Harper and Co. dropped across eastern and central Canada prior to the start of this election. Once you add everything up, the pork given to everyone else is far more than what Harper gives to his own constituents.

Like I said, the people of Edmonton and Calgary have no right to complain when Harper screws them over - they keep returning them to power all the time with out even considering the sweet deals he's offering to everyone else.

For all the comments by the right wingers here about Torontoians (and other urbanites) being sheeple for voting Lib/NDP, the people of the West (Alberta and Saksatchewan especially) are sheeple in their own right.

The only difference is which box they check on their ballot.

If the G20 was in Edmonton and vise versa for the Pan-Am, the funding would be the same.

You're selling it like Alberta is standing in line getting nothing when that's not the case. They are getting money, but not a ton because they are a Province which can take care of itself and doesn't need handouts to get things done.

[DerbyX]

bootlegga bootlegga:

While he has never openly stated a bias towards central Canada, his policies reflect one.

I think its more accurate to say its a policy of bias towards regions likely to support him or ones then he has a snowballs chance in hell of getting.

[stokes]

In my view, if the Libs come down hard with an enviromental policy that throws thousands of Albertans out of work, forget about Quebec separatism, cause Alberta will leave and develop their own policies and keep their own money.

I am not advocationg for any such thing but it is a strong possibility. Forget culture or language which seems to be the case in Quebec, if Alberta were to leave it would be over money and whether a person could properly support their family. Which is a much stronger influence.

[andyt]

stokes stokes:

In my view, if the Libs come down hard with an enviromental policy that throws thousands of Albertans out of work, forget about Quebec separatism, cause Alberta will leave and develop their own policies and keep their own money.

I am not advocationg for any such thing but it is a strong possibility. Forget culture or language which seems to be the case in Quebec, if Alberta were to leave it would be over money and whether a person could properly support their family. Which is a much stronger influence.

I know, Albertans have it rough:

[Lemmy]

stokes stokes:

In my view, if the Libs come down hard with an enviromental policy that throws thousands of Albertans out of work, forget about Quebec separatism, cause Alberta will leave and develop their own policies and keep their own money.

I am not advocationg for any such thing but it is a strong possibility. Forget culture or language which seems to be the case in Quebec, if Alberta were to leave it would be over money and whether a person could properly support their family. Which is a much stronger influence.

Alberta would never be allowed to leave. The closest you could manage would be a population mass exodus, but the oil would stay.

[Yogi]

Let's put this into perspective. Alberta, as the 'hard working son' brings home the money 'hands it all to 'Daddy', who says " I'll take care of this"! 'Daddy' then spends all the money on a binge in 'the east' and by the time he gets back 'home', there ain't nothin left. Or so 'Daddy ' claims!

We would, could, should hold back what 'we' see as needed, then maybe give 'Daddy' what's left to do with as he will!

[andyt]

Yogi Yogi:

Let's put this into perspective. Alberta, as the 'hard working son' brings home the money 'hands it all to 'Daddy', who says " I'll take care of this"! 'Daddy' then spends all the money on a binge in 'the east' and by the time he gets back 'home', there ain't nothin left. Or so 'Daddy ' claims!

We would, could, should hold back what 'we' see as needed, then maybe give 'Daddy' what's left to do with as he will!

Yep, Alberta worked really hard to put that oil in the ground. And now those damn easterners have taken all your money and are binging on it, while according to Stokes you can't even raise your families properly. It sure must suck to be an Albertan.

[sandorski]

Yogi Yogi:

Let's put this into perspective. Alberta, as the 'hard working son' brings home the money 'hands it all to 'Daddy', who says " I'll take care of this"! 'Daddy' then spends all the money on a binge in 'the east' and by the time he gets back 'home', there ain't nothin left. Or so 'Daddy ' claims!

We would, could, should hold back what 'we' see as needed, then maybe give 'Daddy' what's left to do with as he will!

Nah, more like Daddy spoiled his Son. When Son got a job to support himself, late at night Son would drive over to Daddy's house and do doughnuts on his front lawn out of spite.

[bootlegga]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

bootlegga bootlegga:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Are we forgetting the 1.2+ billion for the Olympics?

Nope, just like I'm not forgetting the $1 billion for Toronto to host the G-20, $1 billion or so for the 2015 Pan-Am Games (Toronto again), or the $2.2 billion promised to Quebec for the HST, or any of the other mega pork deals Harper and Co. dropped across eastern and central Canada prior to the start of this election. Once you add everything up, the pork given to everyone else is far more than what Harper gives to his own constituents.

Like I said, the people of Edmonton and Calgary have no right to complain when Harper screws them over - they keep returning them to power all the time with out even considering the sweet deals he's offering to everyone else.

For all the comments by the right wingers here about Torontoians (and other urbanites) being sheeple for voting Lib/NDP, the people of the West (Alberta and Saksatchewan especially) are sheeple in their own right.

The only difference is which box they check on their ballot.

If the G20 was in Edmonton and vise versa for the Pan-Am, the funding would be the same.

You're selling it like Alberta is standing in line getting nothing when that's not the case. They are getting money, but not a ton because they are a Province which can take care of itself and doesn't need handouts to get things done.

Yeah, that's why Edmonton is bidding on the Expo all by itself isn't it?

Oops, wrong, without federal funding, the city had to pull the plug on its bid.

Anyways, it's not the vice versa. The Conservatives have ponyed up mega bucks for all sorts of things down east, but when the place that gives them undying support wants money for its own kick at the cat, the cupboard is suddenly bare.

But hey, the Cconservatives reap what they sow. Some day the West will turf their sorry asses out just like they did the old PC party. And when it happens, I'll be laughing just as loud as I did in 1993.

[andyt]

bootlegga bootlegga:

But hey, the Cconservatives reap what they sow. Some day the West will turf their sorry asses out just like they did the old PC party. And when it happens, I'll be laughing just as loud as I did in 1993.

That will just ensure a Liberal majority. As long as the West is low in population, any national party is going to have to find votes in the east.

[DerbyX]

bootlegga bootlegga:

Yeah, that's why Edmonton is bidding on the Expo all by itself isn't it?

Oops, wrong, without federal funding, the city had to pull the plug on its bid.

Anyways, it's not the vice versa. The Conservatives have ponyed up mega bucks for all sorts of things down east, but when the place that gives them undying support wants money for its own kick at the cat, the cupboard is suddenly bare.

But hey, the Cconservatives reap what they sow. Some day the West will turf their sorry asses out just like they did the old PC party. And when it happens, I'll be laughing just as loud as I did in 1993.

Perhaps its not Alberta they all hate but just Edmonton?

[stokes]

andyt andyt:

Yogi Yogi:

Let's put this into perspective. Alberta, as the 'hard working son' brings home the money 'hands it all to 'Daddy', who says " I'll take care of this"! 'Daddy' then spends all the money on a binge in 'the east' and by the time he gets back 'home', there ain't nothin left. Or so 'Daddy ' claims!

We would, could, should hold back what 'we' see as needed, then maybe give 'Daddy' what's left to do with as he will!

Yep, Alberta worked really hard to put that oil in the ground. And now those damn easterners have taken all your money and are binging on it, while according to Stokes you can't even raise your families properly. It sure must suck to be an Albertan.

Dont be an ass, you know exactly what I am saying. If it were to happen that policies changed throwing thousands out of work there would be a lot of anger towards Ottawa/ Eastern Canada and the possibility of separatism would rear its ugly head.

Albertans raise their families just fine thank you, but dont you dare mess with that!!!

[andyt]

You're right - I lost the context a bit and thought you were just engaging in some good old Albertan whining. If the Libs really did do something to decimate the Alberta oil industry there would be hell to pay. I doubt if they would. Some form of carbon regulation is probably coming, no matter who's in power if we want to keep trading with other countries. No need to rush into it tho, and I think a national carbon tax would be a much better idea. It's a form of consumption tax, which economists tell us are the best way to go. It would raise revenue to pay off the deficit and reduce our use of fossil fuels, both good things.

[martin14]

Oh goody, Iggy wants to bring environmental taxes back into the equation.

Gonna lose for sure !