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andyt andyt:

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

Williams could very well start killing again if he ever got out, the same as a pedophile could rape a child again if they got out.

I don't really know. But I think he's curable.

Well let him move into your fucking neighborhood do-gooder, see how you feel then, me thinks you may change your tune when your daughter wakes up and finds him standing at the foot of her bed wearing your old ladies pumps any your thong

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Salil Shetty needs to shut the fuck up. With all the countries that have an absolutely abysmal human rights track record, this fuckwit decides to single out Harper simply for "musing" that in some cases the death penalty might be appropriate?
As for Shetty's opinion of Canada's role in the Mid-East? I can do him one better. Canada should jsut stay the hell out of it. The fuck with the Israelis and the fuck with the Palestinians. Let 'em sort their own shit out.

[Gunnair]

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

Gunnair Gunnair:

It is very extreme, but he didn't plan it. He should be locked up for life and fed his meds.

How is that different from locking Williams and Bernardo for life without meds?

I already explained my personal checklist for the executable.

[BionicBunny]

I agree there is no evidence it'll deter crime but no one can disagree it'll stop those persons from killing again.

Russel Williams yes, Paul Bernardo yes but why can't psycho cow Karla be included. She is just as twisted as he is. I never bought into the poor defenceless woman excuse.

We have a long list of grade A killers. The only difference with the U.S. besides no death penalty is we have this odd reason that a life sentence should not exceed 25 years. We are too sickeningly nice to murderers. And don't get me started about the woman who was pardoned in the 80's because the reason was she would die in prison if she stayed locked-up any longer. I can't remember her name but she stabbed another woman in her home multiple times as the victim screamed for help. It was proven in the trial it was a planned killing. And then she spends not even a quarter of her sentence before she was pardoned.

[Lemmy]

If Harper'd get off the fence and make capital punishment an election issue, he'd surely draw a lot of support from the undecided middle ground. I believe the greatest philosophical flaw in our criminal justice system is the lack of separation between violent and non-violent crime. We imprison way too many folks for non-violent offences. Those folks could contribute to society in much more meaningful ways without being fed and watered on the taxpayer. And for the violent offenders...fuck 'em. Bring on the needle.

[andyt]

Bernardo and Olsen will never get out - they're not a danger to anybody. We have this odd reason that a life sentence should be a minimum of 25 years, not that it should not exceed 25 years.

The recidivism rate for a murderer committing another murder when he gets out is 0.7 percent. http://www.csc-scc.gc.ca/text/pblct/forum/e042/e042c-eng.shtml

[raydan]

Guess that .7 percent would be extremely happy if we never let another murderer out of jail again.

[Curtman]

andyt andyt:

You can make a pretty good argument that killers who need to be locked up for the rest of their lives should be executed. Russel Williams is not a psychopath, he does feel empathy. He just got lost in some sexual fantasy. I would guess if released he wouldn't do it again. Vince Li is mentally ill - I'm not sure we want to be executing the mentally ill. That leaves Bernardo. Personally I'd rather just pay to have him locked up for life than re-institute the death penalty.

I say give them the option. You can sit in this cell until you die of old age, or we can wrap this thing up next week Tuesday.

[Guy_Fawkes]

BionicBunny BionicBunny:

Russel Williams yes, Paul Bernardo yes but why can't psycho cow Karla be included. She is just as twisted as he is. I never bought into the poor defenceless woman excuse.

Homolka made a deal, so she got a lighter sentence. You cant kill her for making a conviction sure thing for another criminal.

[Thanos]

Canada's also lucky enough not to have to go through the trauma of finding out after the fact that we executed someone who was completely innocent. It's bad enough when we find out about a David Milgaard situation, it'd be even worse if discoveries of this nature were made after someone's been unjustly convicted and executed.

As such I see no need to change the current system, unless it's to take away early parole from all violent criminals, build more prisons, and to use fines or garnisheeing of wages on non-violent criminals instead of incarceration. Bringing back the death penalty is not something I can see myself ever supporting.

[andyt]

But we'd only use it for the worst of the worst, and only if we were 100% sure they were guilty.

I like that making non-violent criminals make restitution - too often the fines they get are less than what they stole. And what's a couple of years in camp fed if you managed to steal millions?

[Zipperfish]

I wouldn't mind the death penalty--as long as the judge got the chair if it turns out he/she sent an innocent man to his death. It would be a good check on the system.

[Guy_Fawkes]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

I wouldn't mind the death penalty--as long as the judge got the chair if it turns out he/she sent an innocent man to his death. It would be a good check on the system.

I'd be down with that.

[Thanos]

I don't like the idea of being morally complicit in state authorized killing merely by being a citizen of a country that has executions. it makes me exceedingly uncomfortable on a lot of levels. I'd much prefer just the toughening up of sentencing to the point where life in prison literally means life in prison, no exceptions.

I forget where I saw it but recently I ran across an article where a genuine hanging judge in California said that if the state wanted to save upwards of about $120 million per year they'd put in a moratorium on all death sentences for the foreseeable future. That's how much it costs the state in legal and bureaucratic fees alone when the inevitable appeals and delays kick in. At that stage it appears that it becomes far less expensive to incarcerate someone for the rest of their natural life than it does to execute them.
Makes sense to me.

[herbie]

WTF are we having this discussion for? It was decided long before most posters were even born.
Hell I'm an old fart and I was maybe nine when they last executed someone in Canada.
Move on people. Tighten the parole system, don't roll back the clock and claim that's progress.