[Guy_Fawkes]

No we throw the dice as well, it just depends on what kind of role we want to have.

[CDN_PATRIOT]

As Canadians, Harper was right in saying we have a moral obligation to uphold freedom that we hold so dear. And, Canada has never been one to back down from a fight. We've been liberating and sticking up for the little guy for a long time. All Canadians can be proud of our military history, and our forces now that serve us well.



-J.

[EyeBrock]

CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:

As Canadians, Harper was right in saying we have a moral obligation to uphold freedom that we hold so dear. And, Canada has never been one to back down from a fight. We've been liberating and sticking up for the little guy for a long time. All Canadians can be proud of our military history, and our forces now that serve us well.



-J.

Ok, so why do the people of Libya deserve our intervention but the people of Eygpt, Tunisia, Bahrain, Yemen etc don't?

Why are we going to Libya? We don't get any oil from there, it's not even in the same continent as us and we have few cultural/historical links with Libya.

I can't understand why the French are all over this too. There's a few grudges to be sorted out with Libya, the US and the Brits so them wanting to throw some fun Ghadaffi's way, well I can see their reasoning.

But Libya is still not worth the bones of a single grenadier guard, and I have no clue why we are deploying F18's to this when they haven't even got a bit of Afghan dust in their intakes over the 10 years our army has been in combat there.

It doesn't make any sense.

[Curtman]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Ok, so why do the people of Libya deserve our intervention but the people of Eygpt, Tunisia, Bahrain, Yemen etc don't?

Why are we going to Libya? We don't get any oil from there, it's not even in the same continent as us and we have few cultural/historical links with Libya.

I can't understand why the French are all over this too. There's a few grudges to be sorted out with Libya, the US and the Brits so them wanting to throw some fun Ghadaffi's way, well I can see their reasoning.

But Libya is still not worth the bones of a single grenadier guard, and I have no clue why we are deploying F18's to this when they haven't even got a bit of Afghan dust in their intakes over the 10 years our army has been in combat there.

It doesn't make any sense.

Libya rebel leader: I have evidence Gaddafi ordered Lockerbie

$1:

"The orders were given by Gaddafi himself," he told Rob Crilly.

Mr Abel Jalil claimed he had evidence that convicted bomber Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi worked for Gaddafi.

"This evidence is in our hands and we have documents that prove what I have said and we are ready to hand them over to the international criminal court," he added.

If there is any truth to this, it would explain a lot of things.

EDIT: There are way too many Gaddafi threads now.. Merge please?

[Guy_Fawkes]

Thats pretty old news, and while it maybe true, its not worth military action over.

[Curtman]

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

Thats pretty old news, and while it maybe true, its not worth military action over.

If we're still pretending to have a 'war on terror', it's a pretty good reason.

[Guy_Fawkes]

No its not a good reason, rumor of orchestrating the bombing of one flight close to 30 years ago does not equal military action.

[martin14]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Ok, so why do the people of Libya deserve our intervention but the people of Eygpt, Tunisia, Bahrain, Yemen etc don't?

Why are we going to Libya? We don't get any oil from there, it's not even in the same continent as us and we have few cultural/historical links with Libya.

I can't understand why the French are all over this too. There's a few grudges to be sorted out with Libya, the US and the Brits so them wanting to throw some fun Ghadaffi's way, well I can see their reasoning.

But Libya is still not worth the bones of a single grenadier guard, and I have no clue why we are deploying F18's to this when they haven't even got a bit of Afghan dust in their intakes over the 10 years our army has been in combat there.

It doesn't make any sense.

I agree 100% EB, this is BS of the highest order.


CNN reporting our guys are going over tonight.

Godspeed and good luck.

[CommanderSock]

martin14 martin14:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Ok, so why do the people of Libya deserve our intervention but the people of Eygpt, Tunisia, Bahrain, Yemen etc don't?

Why are we going to Libya? We don't get any oil from there, it's not even in the same continent as us and we have few cultural/historical links with Libya.

I can't understand why the French are all over this too. There's a few grudges to be sorted out with Libya, the US and the Brits so them wanting to throw some fun Ghadaffi's way, well I can see their reasoning.

But Libya is still not worth the bones of a single grenadier guard, and I have no clue why we are deploying F18's to this when they haven't even got a bit of Afghan dust in their intakes over the 10 years our army has been in combat there.

It doesn't make any sense.

I agree 100% EB, this is BS of the highest order.


CNN reporting our guys are going over tonight.

Godspeed and good luck.

The rebels are so stupid and dis-organized that yesterday they shot down one of their own MiG-29s and celebrated by chanting "Allah Akbar" (god is great) and firing shots in the sky (wasting ammo). This is the people we're helping.

Good god. Our leaders have lost the plot.

[Proculation]

Curtman Curtman:

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

Thats pretty old news, and while it maybe true, its not worth military action over.

If we're still pretending to have a 'war on terror', it's a pretty good reason.

sandorski says: fail

[Lemmy]

DrRosen DrRosen:

This needs to be there war not anyone elses. It will only further hurt western reputation in the middle east to be involved. They already hate our guts for sticking our noses into there problems. We need to sit back and let them make there own destiny for a change.

Your spelling is atrocious, but your sentiment is right on the mark.

[Thanos]

If that's the case then when it's all over and done you'll have to accept the final result being that a revenge-obsessed Ghadaffi remains in control, probably stronger than before, re-engages in his traditional sport of overseas terror attacks against European, American, and possibly even Canadian targets, and probably conducts a full-scale massacre of all his domestic political and tribal rivals. As well, you'll also get the pure malicious joy from the American right-wing with their unending chorus of "it's all Obama's fault" if Ghadaffi emerges the winner. In addition, with near 100% certainty over the following decade, you'll get to see the development of a phoney 'Libyan National Congress' operated by some Saharan version of Iraq's disreputable Ahmed Chalabi that will work in lockstep conjunction with the existing Washington DC neo-con establishment to ensure that the next time the US confronts Libya it definitely won't be with merely establishing a no-fly zone or blowing up a few armoured vehicles. It'll be with a full-blown invasion and occupation that's identical to what happened in Iraq inand after 2003.

Short-term minimal help today to ensure that a fledgling Libyan democracy movement has a chance to survive against Ghadaffi's insane brutality vs. a horribly complicated long-term future engagement that'll probably mirror down to the smallest detail every single mistake and bad policy decision the United States has made in Iraq over the last eight years. I know which one I'm choosing, just because I'm more-or-less certain that the damage done now will be no where near as bad as the disaster that will unfold later.

[SprCForr]

If there was ever a damned if we do, damned if we don't situation this would be it.

[Thanos]

SprCForr SprCForr:

If there was ever a damned if we do, damned if we don't situation this would be it.

There's also an active contingent that's developed that's saying Western (and especially American) intervention is now forever disqualified thanks to the failures in Iraq. I don't support this view because it's nothing but the re-emergence of isolationism, which has proven itself historically to be as bad an influence on events as full-scale interventions or unjustifiable wars have ever been.

[EyeBrock]

SprCForr SprCForr:

If there was ever a damned if we do, damned if we don't situation this would be it.

We should have kept out of this.