[PublicAnimalNo9]

The prevailing winds aside, seeing how active the subduction zones off Japan and South America have been over the last couple of years, I'd be looking to move a thousand miles or so inland if I lived near the west coast

[martin14]

Scape Scape:

Good riddance! These plants should have been turned fallow years ago and have no business being operational. The design is obsolete and there is no point keeping inefficient plants online. If there is a silver lining from this disaster it is that it gave the impetus to deal with this problem once and for all and bite the bullet. The issue is not that we need to ditch nuclear options but that we need power plants that have much better standards then ones that were drawn up 60 years ago when the technology was in their infancy.

Slovakia spent a pile of money upgrading their NPPs, to the point
that they are safer now than most Western plants.

We have 30 year old planes flying around, they seem to be ok.

Everything can be upgraded.

[andyt]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

The prevailing winds aside, seeing how active the subduction zones off Japan and South America have been over the last couple of years, I'd be looking to move a thousand miles or so inland if I lived near the west coast

Regina is 1071 miles from Vancouver, are you moving there?

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Why the hell would I? I live in Ontario

[Scape]

martin14 martin14:

Scape Scape:

Good riddance! These plants should have been turned fallow years ago and have no business being operational. The design is obsolete and there is no point keeping inefficient plants online. If there is a silver lining from this disaster it is that it gave the impetus to deal with this problem once and for all and bite the bullet. The issue is not that we need to ditch nuclear options but that we need power plants that have much better standards then ones that were drawn up 60 years ago when the technology was in their infancy.

Slovakia spent a pile of money upgrading their NPPs, to the point
that they are safer now than most Western plants.

We have 30 year old planes flying around, they seem to be ok.

Everything can be upgraded.

No doubt but after a point it just makes more sense and cheaper to start from scratch then to keep an old and inefficient design online.

[martin14]

Scape Scape:

martin14 martin14:

Scape Scape:

Good riddance! These plants should have been turned fallow years ago and have no business being operational. The design is obsolete and there is no point keeping inefficient plants online. If there is a silver lining from this disaster it is that it gave the impetus to deal with this problem once and for all and bite the bullet. The issue is not that we need to ditch nuclear options but that we need power plants that have much better standards then ones that were drawn up 60 years ago when the technology was in their infancy.

Slovakia spent a pile of money upgrading their NPPs, to the point
that they are safer now than most Western plants.

We have 30 year old planes flying around, they seem to be ok.

Everything can be upgraded.

No doubt but after a point it just makes more sense and cheaper to start from scratch then to keep an old and inefficient design online.

True, but I think after this event, getting permits for new reactors
won't happen for another 20 years.

It's a shame, we need the energy, and I don't want the energy we need
coming from places like China or Russia, where they dont give a shit about too much.

[andyt]

China exports energy?

[martin14]

andyt andyt:

China exports energy?

Give them time, they can see how much money the Russians make from exports,

and they don't have the weak whiney no-sayers we have, so nothing to stop

them from building lots of plants.

[DrCaleb]

martin14 martin14:

andyt andyt:

China exports energy?

Give them time, they can see how much money the Russians make from exports,

and they don't have the weak whiney no-sayers we have, so nothing to stop

them from building lots of plants.

China is building coal and pebble bed nuclear reactors at a record pace.

[andyt]

And you forsee them having excess electricity to spare from those? Isn't there a problem with transmission losses - who exactly would they export this spare electricity to?

[martin14]

andyt andyt:

And you forsee them having excess electricity to spare from those? Isn't there a problem with transmission losses - who exactly would they export this spare electricity to?

Well, looks like Japan needs some, and will for a long time.

Those 6 reactors are toast, 4 from salt water and meltdowns,
the other 2 will be closed politically.

Korea has lots of anti nuke whiners,
Vietnam will grow.

They were trading electricity all over Europe even during the USSR times,
andy, so many things happen that the people never see.

It continues now, the 4 reactors in Slovakia are making power for Italy,
and forcing the Slovak Electric Company to buy power from Russia.

Transmission isnt a real problem, there is a game to send to
power from Slovakia to Austria, then 'transit' it to Italy.
In reality, Austria gets from Slovakia and sends to Italy across their network.

It's all plugged in now together now.

[BartSimpson]

martin14 martin14:

Everything can be upgraded.

True. But at what expense? There's some things that are just cheaper to replace than upgrade...such as old computers.

[martin14]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

martin14 martin14:

Everything can be upgraded.

True. But at what expense? There's some things that are just cheaper to replace than upgrade...such as old computers.

As I posted above, I'm guessing there wont be new ones for a while.

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

And you forsee them having excess electricity to spare from those? Isn't there a problem with transmission losses - who exactly would they export this spare electricity to?

Funny thing about electricity - you do lose some power to line resistance over distance, but you can reduce those losses by increasing the voltage. Which is why your home uses 120V, but lines can run 500KV or even 750KV. Want the electricity to go farther at less lost to resistance? Up it to a 1MV, 1.5MV . . . whatever regulations will bear.

[GreenTiger]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

If Germany wants to strangle their economy that's their choice.

That about it. The PC crowd right now is having a field day, but once they realize that 25% of their energy is a huge amount they will want them restarted.