[EyeBrock]

Do believe in Santa too jeff?

The Arrow was an aircraft brought into development at the wrong time. The politicians were all believing that missiles were about to replace manned fighters. Never a good moment to pitch your super expensive high-tech manned fighter project.

Those views are just about coming to a kind of reality with UAV's but the Arrow was 50+ years ago and it's whole story is now tinged with Canadian nationalism, bad old Yanks etc.

You should try and use sources other than Paul Gross for your military and history posts.

You don't need to shut down hospitals to fund the CF. Health care is a provincial responsibility, defence is a federal one so your argument is emotive, but inherently moot.

Do try and read up on this stuff before you post.

[BartSimpson]

jeff744 jeff744:

When it comes down to weapons or healthcare, I'll take healthcare.

Fine, and like I said, when you liberals want the CF troops to do something then don't give them a rash of sh*t when they tell you it can't be done.

[Canadian_Mind]

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

I was never in the military those years(my father was), but even I can see and feel the repercussion of those years in my job. Im glad that when I was in Afghanistan we had the support we need, I only hope that the next war I am in wont be coming home in a bag due to lack of support.

Same here. Some trucks in the CF are based on WWII designs...

Too bad we're about 1400 AHSVSs short of replacing both the ML and HL fleets entirely. The new sterlings are pieces of shit.

[BartSimpson]

jeff744 jeff744:

The Arrow ... is one of few aircraft that would still have a use today (mk.4 for recon)

You're kidding, right? You'd actually want an aircraft designed in 1953 to go up against modern fighters?

It'd be cheaper to just line up the CF pilots on the tarmac and shoot them in the head.

[EyeBrock]

And we can afford stand-alone recce aircraft with no other role?

[Canadian_Mind]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

And we can afford stand-alone recce aircraft with no other role?

Having the helicopter recce troops back would be pretty cool. We're just starting to re-develop the assault troops.

[jeff744]

And yet you completely ignored some of the designs that the arrow had. At the time under an old engine the Arrow actually broke the airspeed record of the time (Mach 1.98 on Nov 11, 1958, the record of the time was Mach 1.84), it was also to only aircraft capable of carrying cruise missiles in an internal bay and the first fly-by-wire aircraft. The arrow still has a number of accomplishments that we haven't been able to beat, the contribution to the aerospace industry would have been enormous had it survived.

Not directly (usually), but when they cut funding to deficit provinces where do you think they will make the cuts?

[BartSimpson]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

And we can afford stand-alone recce aircraft with no other role?

Sure you can.

But I imagine Jeff might want to spend the money on health care instead.

http://www.raidentech.com/rchespycacos.html

[jeff744]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

jeff744 jeff744:

The Arrow ... is one of few aircraft that would still have a use today (mk.4 for recon)

You're kidding, right? You'd actually want an aircraft designed in 1953 to go up against modern fighters?

It'd be cheaper to just line up the CF pilots on the tarmac and shoot them in the head.

And yet you completely ignore the obvious upgrades that would occur to make it stay faster and highers than the things trying to shoot it down.

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

And we can afford stand-alone recce aircraft with no other role?

Didn't say anything about being able to afford it, I simply stated that it could.

[BartSimpson]

jeff744 jeff744:

And yet you completely ignored some of the designs that the arrow had.

No, Jeff. People like yourself who wanted health care instead of weapons ignored those designs.

[jeff744]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

And we can afford stand-alone recce aircraft with no other role?

Sure you can.

But I imagine Jeff might want to spend the money on health care instead.

http://www.raidentech.com/rchespycacos.html

Nice, making assumptions on my statements. When it comes to cuts the defense should come before the people actually paying the taxes. How is your system going anyways, defense first seems to have plunged you into a deficit you can't escape, wonder where you will get money when credit ratings start to go down.

[jeff744]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

jeff744 jeff744:

And yet you completely ignored some of the designs that the arrow had.

No, Jeff. People like yourself who wanted health care instead of weapons ignored those designs.

No, I want to be able to know that I can still go to a functioning hospital with more than one doctor because we needed to have a bigger army than China.

[BartSimpson]

jeff744 jeff744:

And yet you completely ignore the obvious upgrades that would occur to make it stay faster and highers than the things trying to shoot it down.

Look, even the US Congress finally retired the U2 and the SR71 when they were told we had better ways of doing recon as opposed to using 50 year old planes just because members of Congress were fond of them.

I know the Arrow was a smack in Canadian pride, but move on, okay? Instead of making proposals that literally mean building a 1953 aircraft today, how about investing in a 2011 designed Canadian fighter...hmmm?

[SprCForr]

A shit storm coming I see.




Respectful, it shall be...mmm yes.

[BartSimpson]

jeff744 jeff744:

Nice, making assumptions on my statements. When it comes to cuts the defense should come before the people actually paying the taxes. How is your system going anyways, defense first seems to have plunged you into a deficit you can't escape, wonder where you will get money when credit ratings start to go down.

We're working to get rid of the $1.5 trillion health care albatross and then we've got another $2 trillion in social spending we can reduce before we talk about the approximately $350 billion in non-war military spending.