[andyt]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

andyt andyt:

But if the only result is your teachers and police and firemen being paid shit wages and losing their pensions, well good luck with what that will do to your society.

Seems the schools in the USA have suffered since the advent of unions. Undoing that certainly won't harm classroom performance.

I repeat my statement. Just getting rid of unions won't solve anything except maybe the bottom line. If you make teaching even more poorly paid than it already is in some states, you'll be breeding even dumber people than you are now. Of course maybe that's the whole plan.

[andyt]

bootlegga bootlegga:

andyt andyt:

Actually, with the enormous amounts of money the military chows down, the place to start cutting salaries. After all those people are serving their country, so they should be doing it out of a sense of duty, not what the country can do for them. And cut their pensions, once they're used up, let em get jobs in the real world like everybody else. And what's up with all those health benefits they get - let em get private insurance like the rest of America - maybe give them an HMO plan or something. Those people have been sucking off the government tit for far too long. The free ride is over.

You don't even need to cut military salaries/pensions all that much, maybe 5% or something. After all, there are over a million people in the US armed forces. That should save billions every year.

It's sad that you took me seriously.

[DrCaleb]

I hope there will be some upheaval here. We could use some.

[andyt]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

I hope there will be some upheaval here. We could use some.

What do you have in mind? I would like to see us move back to a more egalitarian society, but if upheaval means Harper getting a majority and turning us into a neo-con paradise, I'll take stasis any day.

[bootlegga]

andyt andyt:

bootlegga bootlegga:

andyt andyt:

Actually, with the enormous amounts of money the military chows down, the place to start cutting salaries. After all those people are serving their country, so they should be doing it out of a sense of duty, not what the country can do for them. And cut their pensions, once they're used up, let em get jobs in the real world like everybody else. And what's up with all those health benefits they get - let em get private insurance like the rest of America - maybe give them an HMO plan or something. Those people have been sucking off the government tit for far too long. The free ride is over.

You don't even need to cut military salaries/pensions all that much, maybe 5% or something. After all, there are over a million people in the US armed forces. That should save billions every year.

It's sad that you took me seriously.

I knew you were being facetious, but I wasn't.

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

I hope there will be some upheaval here. We could use some.

What do you have in mind? I would like to see us move back to a more egalitarian society, but if upheaval means Harper getting a majority and turning us into a neo-con paradise, I'll take stasis any day.

I'm thinking of people actually realizing that they held all the power over governments all this time, and these uprisings are the manifestation of that realization. Perhaps then people will quit blaming government that they don't like, and show up at convenient ballot location and time to exercise their upheaval abilities. Or even better - run for office!

[sandorski]

He's partially correct, but mostly just trying to spin this in a way that prevents it happening in Iran. He's trying to distanc the Iranian situation from the Arab world by appealing to old fears regarding Foreign meddling.

It already has happened in Europe and the US, but for different reasons. What has happened in these places has been purely Economic in nature and not based upon decades of Iron Rule.

[andyt]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

I'm thinking of people actually realizing that they held all the power over governments all this time, and these uprisings are the manifestation of that realization. Perhaps then people will quit blaming government that they don't like, and show up at convenient ballot location and time to exercise their upheaval abilities. Or even better - run for office!

[sandorski]

Public Union Scapegoating is alive and well I see. Apparently it isn't enough for them to concede all the $s you ask them to, they must die. I disagree.

[GreenTiger]

andyt andyt:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

I'm thinking of people actually realizing that they held all the power over governments all this time, and these uprisings are the manifestation of that realization. Perhaps then people will quit blaming government that they don't like, and show up at convenient ballot location and time to exercise their upheaval abilities. Or even better - run for office!

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

If you make teaching even more poorly paid than it already is in some states, you'll be breeding even dumber people than you are now.

Currently we have school districts in the USA where rank and file teachers pay & benefits top $100,000 annually and the kids are still dumb as boards.

If the teachers are going to produce stupid kids then we may as well have them do so cheaply.

At the same time, getting rid of the unions means the schools can bring back merit pay and merit raises for good teachers and that will certainly encourage good teachers since right now they get paid as much as the slackassess do.

[Thanos]

andyt andyt:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

andyt andyt:

But if the only result is your teachers and police and firemen being paid shit wages and losing their pensions, well good luck with what that will do to your society.

Seems the schools in the USA have suffered since the advent of unions. Undoing that certainly won't harm classroom performance.

I repeat my statement. Just getting rid of unions won't solve anything except maybe the bottom line. If you make teaching even more poorly paid than it already is in some states, you'll be breeding even dumber people than you are now. Of course maybe that's the whole plan.

It is when the whole plan is to resurrect mass wage-slave serfdom again.

[Arctic_Menace]

Yeah, like it won't spread to his country first. Idiot.

[ShepherdsDog]

You gotta wonder if their attempts at halting the people will be as bloody as Libya's.

[PostFactum]

In good places for living people will never fire their homes. In Europe, people have what to lose. We don't have dictators, only idiots. Revolution with fire and victims it too much price for idiot's resignation.