[Proculation]

andyt andyt:

Curtman Curtman:

So, it's unfair to exclude anyone for any reason from any contest? The little dude knew the rules, told his parents and they excluded him, not the school. Suck it up. Buy the kid a teddy bear if they feel some great injustice has been done.

Come on Curtman. The school did not inform the parents, nor did it teach the kids why the bags are undesirable. By the time the kid told his parents, he had already been excluded. I think we all know how it hurts at that age to be on the out.

What the school should have done is send a letter around to parents asking them to use only use re-usable products, and left it at that. Don't make a 6 yr old responsible for the actions of his parents. And if they want to hold a contest around this, make it that one kid wins who has been the most green for a period of time. But do it with things that the kid actually has control over at school - recycling, picking up litter, stuff like that.

And in a way that he understands

[CDN_PATRIOT]

The fact that this case has ANY media attention at all is ridiculous. So the kid didn't win a stuffed animal because of a sandwich bag? This isn't any kind of "the kid got shafted" deals, this is how life works. Sometimes you get the bear, and sometimes the bear gets you. The parents should move on, and let the kid live his life. Not winning a contest is NOT the end of the world.

-J.

[bootlegga]

Geez, now Ziploc baggies are bad for the environment - time to stock up on them before they get banned like everything else these days (weed-n-feed, incandescent light bubls, etc).

[Curtman]

Proculation Proculation:

Imagine the thinking of the little boy. He doesn't think like us. He's a child. In his head, he has no idea of the environmental question. He only understands that because his parents put his sandwich in a plastic bag, he could not win a stuffed animal.

Now might be a good time to learn about setting goals, and being disciplined about trying to achieve them.

Self-Control in Childhood Brings Adult Success

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Children who have good self-control early in life are more likely to grow into healthy, financially secure, and trouble-free adults than those with poor self-discipline, a new study shows.

The authors of the 32-year study, which has followed a group of almost 1,000 New Zealanders since birth, say the differences between kids who have good self-discipline and those who don’t begin to be apparent in children as young as age 3.

Those who scored lowest on self-control measures were significantly more likely than those with high self-control to have chronic health problems like gum disease, high blood pressure, and be overweight. Low-scorers also grew into adults who had difficulty managing money and credit, were more likely to be raising children by themselves, be addicted to alcohol or drugs, or to have a record of criminal convictions.

"These adult outcomes were predictable across the entire spectrum of self-control scores, from low to high," says study researcher Terrie Moffitt, PhD, a psychologist at Duke University.

And those differences persisted even after researchers controlled for things like IQ and social class.

andyt andyt:

By the time the kid told his parents, he had already been excluded.

That's not what the article says.

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Isabel Théorêt, was making their son Félix a sandwich and he begged them not to put it in a plastic bag.

“He said, ‘No mommy, you can’t do that. Not a Ziploc,’ ” Mr. Lanciault said.

Through tears, the boy told his parents that the school had held a draw to win a stuffed teddy bear and only children who didn’t have any plastic sandwich bags could enter.

[andyt]

Curtman Curtman:

Proculation Proculation:

Imagine the thinking of the little boy. He doesn't think like us. He's a child. In his head, he has no idea of the environmental question. He only understands that because his parents put his sandwich in a plastic bag, he could not win a stuffed animal.

Now might be a good time to learn about setting goals, and being disciplined about trying to achieve them.

Self-Control in Childhood Brings Adult Success

$1:

Children who have good self-control early in life are more likely to grow into healthy, financially secure, and trouble-free adults than those with poor self-discipline, a new study shows.

The authors of the 32-year study, which has followed a group of almost 1,000 New Zealanders since birth, say the differences between kids who have good self-discipline and those who don’t begin to be apparent in children as young as age 3.

Those who scored lowest on self-control measures were significantly more likely than those with high self-control to have chronic health problems like gum disease, high blood pressure, and be overweight. Low-scorers also grew into adults who had difficulty managing money and credit, were more likely to be raising children by themselves, be addicted to alcohol or drugs, or to have a record of criminal convictions.

"These adult outcomes were predictable across the entire spectrum of self-control scores, from low to high," says study researcher Terrie Moffitt, PhD, a psychologist at Duke University.

And those differences persisted even after researchers controlled for things like IQ and social class.

andyt andyt:

By the time the kid told his parents, he had already been excluded.

That's not what the article says.

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Isabel Théorêt, was making their son Félix a sandwich and he begged them not to put it in a plastic bag.

“He said, ‘No mommy, you can’t do that. Not a Ziploc,’ ” Mr. Lanciault said.

Through tears, the boy told his parents that the school had held a draw to win a stuffed teddy bear and only children who didn’t have any plastic sandwich bags could enter.

Curt - read the quote you supplied again. He begged his mom not to use a sandwich bag because the school had already held the draw

[andyt]

CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:

The fact that this case has ANY media attention at all is ridiculous. So the kid didn't win a stuffed animal because of a sandwich bag? This isn't any kind of "the kid got shafted" deals, this is how life works. Sometimes you get the bear, and sometimes the bear gets you. The parents should move on, and let the kid live his life. Not winning a contest is NOT the end of the world.

-J.

Read the story again and think about it.

[Curtman]

andyt andyt:

Curt - read the quote you supplied again. He begged his mom not to use a sandwich bag because the school had already held the draw

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The family normally uses Tupperware, but it was all in the dishwasher, and so they had packed their son’s ham sandwich in a plastic bag.

When Mr. Lanciault questioned his son’s teacher, she confirmed the school had staged the draw at a lunchtime daycare and that any student with a plastic sandwich bag was excluded.

Still doesn't sound that way to me... It sounds like the kid informed his parents that morning, and they did it anyway.

[BartSimpson]

CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:

The fact that this case has ANY media attention at all is ridiculous.

The contest is not what's at issue here. What's at issue is the demonization of a perfectly legal product. Were the teacher critical of something like abortion or gay rights and then essentially punishing kids who didn't hold to the proper dogmatic line would you say the same thing?

Sorry, what's at issue here is a teacher who needs to be encouraged to seek other employment.

[Brenda]

If you as a school do not want plastic bags in the kids' lunches, and you put consequences on that fact, you have to inform the parents. How hard is that?

My kids attend a peanut free, smoke free and drug free school. Which means that none of those things is allowed on the premises, and any kid who brings peanuts (or items with peanuts in it), smokes or drugs to school, will be sent home. We ALL know that.

Btw, spaghetti string tops are not allowed either, and the girls will be sent home to change.

[andyt]

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Through tears, the boy told his parents that the school had held a draw to win a stuffed teddy bear and only children who didn’t have any plastic sandwich bags could enter.

Not "the school was holding a draw."

[andyt]

Brenda Brenda:

Btw, spaghetti string tops are not allowed either, and the girls will be sent home to change.

Man, they sure know how to ruin school for the boys.

[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

Brenda Brenda:

Btw, spaghetti string tops are not allowed either, and the girls will be sent home to change.

Man, they sure know how to ruin school for the boys.

It (the string that goes over your shoulder... how the heck do you call that? ) has to be 2 fingers wide, so a tank top is allowed

[CDN_PATRIOT]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:

The fact that this case has ANY media attention at all is ridiculous.

The contest is not what's at issue here. What's at issue is the demonization of a perfectly legal product. Were the teacher critical of something like abortion or gay rights and then essentially punishing kids who didn't hold to the proper dogmatic line would you say the same thing?

Sorry, what's at issue here is a teacher who needs to be encouraged to seek other employment.

The teacher should seek other employment because she's right about the non-recyclableness of a Ziploc sandwich bag? Really?? I use tupperware for everything myself, and I agree that those sandwich bags are a negative to the environment. This teacher was trying to teach these kids at an early age about environmental awareness, and she should be punished?? We need more educators like this.

Face it Bart, today's society has become a disposable society. Everything can be used and thrown away just as easy, with no afterthought to maybe trying to recycle and reuse, keeping things out of landfills. I'm no tree-hugger, but I wouldn't want future generations left with a world that's stacked to the sky in trash, or can't sustain itself.

We're all in this together, whether we like it or not.

-J.

[BartSimpson]

What about tube tops?

[raydan]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

What about tube tops?

When I was in high school, mini-skirts and hot-pants were my doom.