[Gunnair]

romanP romanP:

Brenda Brenda:

andyt andyt:

They can get good staff if they pay them properly.

But if you pay them more than minimum, you don't make as much profit, so they cannot do that...

They might make more profit if their employees felt any kind of incentive to sell more. Paying your employees is a good idea.

You sound like an ex-employee. Try not sucking so much.

[Brenda]

romanP romanP:

Brenda Brenda:

andyt andyt:

They can get good staff if they pay them properly.

But if you pay them more than minimum, you don't make as much profit, so they cannot do that...

They might make more profit if their employees felt any kind of incentive to sell more. Paying your employees is a good idea. Any sane businessperson knows that you have to spend money to make money.

If my company sold for $1.8B I would consider myself a sane businessperson...

[sandorski]

I doubt this will affect Prices much at all. Economies of Scale people, Learn it Love/Loathe it.

[romanP]

Brenda Brenda:

romanP romanP:

They might make more profit if their employees felt any kind of incentive to sell more. Paying your employees is a good idea. Any sane businessperson knows that you have to spend money to make money.

If my company sold for $1.8B I would consider myself a sane businessperson...

Sure. But maybe your company would be worth more than $1.8B if the majority of your employees actually wanted their jobs and weren't just there because they're unskilled and can't a job in any other line of work.

[Brenda]

romanP romanP:

Brenda Brenda:

romanP romanP:

They might make more profit if their employees felt any kind of incentive to sell more. Paying your employees is a good idea. Any sane businessperson knows that you have to spend money to make money.

If my company sold for $1.8B I would consider myself a sane businessperson...

Sure. But maybe your company would be worth more than $1.8B if the majority of your employees actually wanted their jobs and weren't just there because they're unskilled and can't a job in any other line of work.

Yeah, but then I would have to take effort and actually screen my employees for intelligence and skills, and train them, and that is wayyyy to much work. Students, moms and drop outs are way easier to find, there are plenty of them. And since I like new faces in my stores every week just to keep it fresh...

[herbie]

Zellers sold crap but it was "our" store. Target will sell the exactly same crap, who gives a shit if it's a nickel less or a nickel more.
Cheering the loss of a Cdn name for nickels is pretty low

[GreenTiger]

andyt andyt:

Benn Benn:

Hint to Target, don't take on Zellers staff, they are half of Zellers' problem.

They can get good staff if they pay them properly.

Be glad Wal-Mart didn't buy them up.

[Gunnair]

herbie herbie:

Zellers sold crap but it was "our" store. Target will sell the exactly same crap, who gives a shit if it's a nickel less or a nickel more.
Cheering the loss of a Cdn name for nickels is pretty low

Celin Dion is our Diva... cheering for her laryngitis is low as well?

[BeaverFever]

According to this Globe and Mail article:

$1:

Each Target store has between 50- and 100-per-cent more employees than a Zellers, he said. More staff help, for example, keep the store tidier and easier to shop...Target stores – on average about 125,000 square feet – are larger than Zellers stores, which are closer to 100,000 square feet or less.

...which may partly explain the positivie experience some shoppers have. The $1.8B valuation probably has more to do with Target's desire for rapid expansion than anything asosciated with the Zellers brand. Even Zeller's discount shopper demographic may not event be wanted - Target is allegedly more oriented towards middle-class bargain-hunters than low-income shoppers. Also if they are buying the actual Zellers store sites, then there's likely not alot that they can do about Zeller's square footage deficiency.


But Sandorski is right, economies of scale are likely to blame for the discrepancy between Z and T. Canada is likely too small a market for chains of this size to be competitive. There's no reason to believe Target will give away anything to Canadians that it doesn't have to. I think alot of the appeal to Canadians is just because Target is new and foreign and something we don't have.


Personally, I don't shop in those kind of stores often. As a downtowner, those places are usually in the middle of f-ing nowhere for me and I prefer to shop in locally owned stores or just say F it and go to the Eaton Centre if I have a lot of different things to buy. Sometimes you just need a big general merchandise store for random obscure things that you can't find anywhere else (or can't think of where to get them) like the last time I went to Zellers, specifically for a jumbo-sized lint shaver for an old couch of mine...that was over 6 months ago.

[Brenda]

I have the choice between Walmart or Zellers... That's all there is.

[DrCaleb]

GreenTiger GreenTiger:

andyt andyt:

Benn Benn:

Hint to Target, don't take on Zellers staff, they are half of Zellers' problem.

They can get good staff if they pay them properly.

Be glad Wal-Mart didn't buy them up.

Like Wal-Mart did with Woolco in the 80's, for exactly the same reason. Real estate, and prime real estate at that.

[romanP]

Brenda Brenda:

romanP romanP:

Sure. But maybe your company would be worth more than $1.8B if the majority of your employees actually wanted their jobs and weren't just there because they're unskilled and can't a job in any other line of work.

Yeah, but then I would have to take effort and actually screen my employees for intelligence and skills, and train them, and that is wayyyy to much work. Students, moms and drop outs are way easier to find, there are plenty of them. And since I like new faces in my stores every week just to keep it fresh...

Then you don't want to spend the money to make more money. It's not everyone else's fault if that's the way you think.

[CRoberts]

exactly, even its a $1 over minimum. minimum wage is pretty insulting.

[andyt]

Can't pay employees decent wages - that's not today's business model. Squeeze every penny you can, to squeeze prices as low as possible is the only way to get customers. Most of the profit goes to Asia either way, as we buy all their crap. And cut our own throats to save a buck.

[kenmore]

My question is what staff? Service in Canadian stores is a thing of the past. Zellers charging for bags is a joke and cash cow for them. Walmart sucks. There is nothing of value in walmart. Its all junk. They carry one line of clothing which is the cheapest made crap that they could find. I am looking forward to more chains from the US coming. Maybe their value and service will come with them.