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[EyeBrock]

andyt andyt:

I have no problem forcing people to do things if they're being a big pain in the ass. And sleeping on the street is a pain in the ass for others. My forced housing program wouldn't be like regular jail - no finger prints taken, no records kept. They can keep their belongings with them. They just can't leave until the next morning. I have no problem infringing on their liberty to that degree, I don't see how it causes any harm.

Of course that program would also catch all the tards that sleep out to get concert tickets or whatever latest pod toy is coming out. Too bad, too sad.

There's no contradiction (tho I admit I only thought of the jail thingy as I was writing) because they can still choose not to accept the help offered, such as permanent housing. Just that there's consequences to that choice, like any other.

But offer decent housing and addiction and mental health services, job training etc, and I doubt it wouldn't be much of an issue anyway. Most people aren't on the street by choice. Some of the young runaways are, but they could probably be lured with job training etc - like that cooking program they have for street youth. Some of the crazy guys won't want to accept help, and a very few who are doing it out of some kind of principle. Very few.

You are full of contradictions andy. What you advocate is is more like what would happen in Soviet Russia or Nazi Germany. You are aghast at the G20 cops but you have no problems in infringing on the liberty of the homeless?

Mmmmm.

[Gunnair]

andyt andyt:

The vets should get the same support as any other homeless person. We need way more rehab and mental health services, and affordable housing. If somebody refuses all that and wants to be on the street, well that's their business, but we're not doing way enough to help people who want and need help. And if we did have adequate housing for people, I would be all for forcing the street sleeper to take it, not allowing them to to sleep rough and cause problems, pissing and shitting every where etc. I mean even build little cubicle prison cells, where they have to spend the night, get sent out with a good breakfast and are are seen by support services if they're willing to access it.

And, the savings in health care and judicial system costs could pay for the extra services quite nicely. ER's are expensive, and that's where a lot of homeless wind up. And, we're now starting to house homeless in them because there it nowhere to send them to once they are better. You could pay a guys SRO for a couple of months with what it costs for an ER bed.

I agree. You are obviously a closet conservative.

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Embarrassing

[EyeBrock]

What's embarrassing about it?

Vets are like the rest of us, some of them go on to be CEO's and some drop out. The country shouldn't be on the hook for guys who won't take help when offered. On the flip side those who refuse help shouldn't be looked down on either. We all make choices.

[martin14]

Canada has lots of programs to help the homeless, no one is out there
due to a lack of help.

However, I'm sure the transitioning out program could use a tweak.


Unlike Veterans' Affairs, which needs a complete overhaul.