[raydan]

$1:

She herself lost her children as well in this whole ordeal.

I don't know what to say.
Seriously, how stupid can the laywer be to say this?

Definitely a "doh" moment... a double facepalm is not enough.

[Mockingbird]

Gunnair Gunnair:

billypilgrim billypilgrim:

selfish + religious = 2 dead children.

noob + four posts = dumb equation.

Please explain how you figure religion played into this tragedy vice a mental illness?

Not looking for a beef here, just always wanted an honest answer to this question. Why is it that a "noob" as you refer to this poster as, is called out for being so when anyone (you in this case) is in disagreement with a post they make? Do you think it gives your point more merit, and his/hers less because your posts range in the thousands and theirs much less? I joined here some time ago and stopped posting for a few reasons, this being one. Like I said, no beef. Would just like a straight up answer from you or any long time poster here. Calling someone out for being new is a pretty weak defense in making a point.

[Gunnair]

billypilgrim"

Gunnair Gunnair:

billypilgrim billypilgrim:

selfish + religious = 2 dead children.

noob + four posts = dumb equation.

Please explain how you figure religion played into this tragedy vice a mental illness?

$1:

sure.. she drowned her kids: pretty crazy. she indicated that she was vindicated by god in doing so: a common religious perspective, ie: i can do something wrong because god will understand and forgive me, but punish the person i'm really trying to hurt.

She's a woman as well, you forget that in your equation, oh, and she's under forty too.

$1:

when you are crazy enough to murder your own children, the lethality is only heightened by a perceived religious "permission" to do so. in this case, her poisoned mind envisioned her children in heaven, while the father now grieves the reality of the situation, ie: his daughters are dead, and two innocent lives were needlessly snuffed out. again, becuase of the bad combo of mental illness, selfishness, and religion. ..it wasn't an insult, just a sad reality...

Permission by God is a symptom of deeper issues and hardly the be all end all of why it happened. Oddly enough there are plenty of religious folk that didn't dorwn their kids today. FOcus on the obvious mental issues vice the personal agenda.

$1:

as for being a 'noob'. no need to be so protective. you had to put your first post somewhere too, no? ..or do opinions and sentiments only count after you've become "super elite" or "wicked awesome commander of the online forum" ?

Opinions and sentiments count always whether your a wicked awesome commander - or some rookie hillbilly fresh from the world - that's freedom.

As is the ability to call someone on it.

No go clean the heads, FNG!

[Gunnair]

Mockingbird Mockingbird:

Gunnair Gunnair:

billypilgrim billypilgrim:

selfish + religious = 2 dead children.

noob + four posts = dumb equation.

Please explain how you figure religion played into this tragedy vice a mental illness?

Not looking for a beef here, just always wanted an honest answer to this question. Why is it that a "noob" as you refer to this poster as, is called out for being so when anyone (you in this case) is in disagreement with a post they make? Do you think it gives your point more merit, and his/hers less because your posts range in the thousands and theirs much less? I joined here some time ago and stopped posting for a few reasons, this being one. Like I said, no beef. Would just like a straight up answer from you or any long time poster here. Calling someone out for being new is a pretty weak defense in making a point.

Course you want a beef, don't be so passive agressive about it.

New guys get to make points, but generally, one works their way up to making sweeping generalizations like religion is the reason these kids died or in a follow on post, that religion was a poison. That being said, I couldn't give a shit if he was a noob or someone with a thousdand or more posts - sweeping generalizations get attention - often negative. I've made one or two myself and have been called on it.

Deal with it.

[Mockingbird]

Nope, no beef, seriously wanted an honest response. But could have predicted I'd get the canned typical aggressive response. Thanks for playing.

Btw if it mattered not that he was a noob, why draw attention to it? Care for another kick at the can in giving a non-aggressive response?

[Gunnair]

Mockingbird Mockingbird:

Nope, no beef, seriously wanted an honest response. But could have predicted I'd get the canned typical aggressive response. Thanks for playing.

Btw if it mattered not that he was a noob, why draw attention to it? Care for another kick at the can in giving a non-aggressive response?

Yeah, you got no beef. Pose your question in a passive aggressive manner and follow it up with the above crap and your agenda is clear.

Care to try your post again in a non-passive aggressive approach and without the neg rep bullshit you post before my response to you?

Thanks for playing.

[Mockingbird]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Mockingbird Mockingbird:

Nope, no beef, seriously wanted an honest response. But could have predicted I'd get the canned typical aggressive response. Thanks for playing.

Btw if it mattered not that he was a noob, why draw attention to it? Care for another kick at the can in giving a non-aggressive response?

Yeah, you got no beef. Pose your question in a passive aggressive manner and follow it up with the above crap and your agenda is clear.

Care to try your post again in a non-passive aggressive approach and without the neg rep bullshit you post before my response to you?

Thanks for playing.

Neg rep was deserved for a cop out noob remark, plain and simple. No agenda, again asking a question, and again the aggressive response is expected, so not surprised. Nope not passive-aggressive, still looking for an honest answer. Maybe someone more level headed can respond. Care to see what's behind door number 3?

[billypilgrim]

$1:

She's a woman as well, you forget that in your equation, oh, and she's under forty too.

now, while i may have stringent views, i'd never assign an additional red flag to a crazy person solely on the basis her being female. ..but you're free to believe what you will about predisposition, i guess...

religion can only complicate mental illness. i stand by it.

this woman killed her kids, presumably, at the height of an emotional crisis. in her taped message, she made several religious statements.

$1:

FOcus on the obvious mental issues vice the personal agenda.

why focus just on the obvious? ..and her religious implications are hardly my personal agenda - i don't even know her.

$1:

No go clean the heads, FNG!

aw, you've seen army movies. neat!

[Gunnair]

Mockingbird Mockingbird:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Mockingbird Mockingbird:

Nope, no beef, seriously wanted an honest response. But could have predicted I'd get the canned typical aggressive response. Thanks for playing.

Btw if it mattered not that he was a noob, why draw attention to it? Care for another kick at the can in giving a non-aggressive response?

Yeah, you got no beef. Pose your question in a passive aggressive manner and follow it up with the above crap and your agenda is clear.

Care to try your post again in a non-passive aggressive approach and without the neg rep bullshit you post before my response to you?

Thanks for playing.

Neg rep was deserved for a cop out noob remark, plain and simple. No agenda, again asking a question, and again the aggressive response is expected, so not surprised. Nope not passive-aggressive, still looking for an honest answer. Maybe someone more level headed can respond. Care to see what's behind door number 3?

Neg rep deserved for an outright bullshit statement. Don't want a beef but you'll start it off with a neg rep, eh? More of the passive aggressiveness, which is also expected. You came in hiding behind it like Linus and his blanket it and now you can't put it down. Still looking for a level headed question, but I doubt that'll happen.

I suspect the same idiot behind doors one and two. No thanks on three.

[Gunnair]

="billypilgrim" wrote.
She's a woman as well, you forget that in your equation, oh, and she's under forty too.
[/quote]

$1:

now, while i may have stringent views, i'd never assign an additional red flag to a crazy person solely on the basis her being female. ..but you're free to believe what you will about predisposition, i guess...

religion can only complicate mental illness. i stand by it.

Yet you feel fine about assigning one because of religion. Nice.

$1:

this woman killed her kids, presumably, at the height of an emotional crisis. in her taped message, she made several religious statements.

She did. Religion didn't make her do it.

FOcus on the obvious mental issues vice the personal agenda.
[/quote]

$1:

why focus just on the obvious? ..and her religious implications are hardly my personal agenda - i don't even know her.

Religon certainly seems your pet personal agenda when you equate it to poison. Or am I simply misinterpreting that?

No go clean the heads, FNG!
[/quote]

$1:

aw, you've seen army movies. neat!

You haven't...

[billypilgrim]

$1:

New guys get to make points, but generally, one works their way up to making sweeping generalizations ....

ya, but i've been working up to it real life! i'm new to the forum, but far from new to reality.

by the way.. i think maybe you assign a little too much importance to my..."noobility" (gross - i'm noobile.)



oh, wait..


..there y'go. everything is better with a little smiley guy.


back to the point at hand, though: religion played a role in this tragedy. pure and simple.

i bet you'd agree if she replaced the word "god" with "allah", and sent her kids off the the care of Mohammed. regardless, religion made her choice more sentient, more available. i think an atheist would have been less likely to do this.

now, go ahead and call me the FNG and tell me to clean the cans or whatever.. one day, i'll have a million posts and be entitled to my 'sweeping generalizations'.

[billypilgrim]

$1:

Quote:
now, while i may have stringent views, i'd never assign an additional red flag to a crazy person solely on the basis her being female. ..but you're free to believe what you will about predisposition, i guess...

religion can only complicate mental illness. i stand by it.


Yet you feel fine about assigning one because of religion. Nice.

you got it. religion has earned its red flags in tangible ways. to say being a woman is a red flag is redundant. when a human commits a crime, you'll likely find they're either a man or a woman. so, red flagging a gender is pretty much pointless. but religion HAS earned its stripes in the nasty business of infanticide. in fact, the two go together like peas in a pod. you seem pretty good at quick-referencing, and a little touchy about religion, so i'm sure you can summon hundreds of easy go-to stories about god-implicated child slayings.

i don't have an antitheist agenda. you won't see me talking about religion unless the story calls for it. this story called for it. read it again, and look for the parts where her religion and her murdered children meet.

and quit being so protective of the whole seniority thing on the forum, for pete's sake. it's a forum. people's life experience didn't start at post #1.

oh..

wait... there w'go. a little smiley to make it all fit together.

[Gunnair]

billypilgrim wrote...

$1:

..there y'go. everything is better with a little smiley guy.

That is true.

$1:

back to the point at hand, though: religion played a role in this tragedy. pure and simple.

I would agree if she wasn't fucked in the head. Had she said the oak tree in the backwyard told her to drown the kids, then one could conclude environmentalism was a poison as well. Whether she was religious or not, it's certainly seems likely she would have drowned the kids because frankly, she ain't right in the head.

$1:

i bet you'd agree if she replaced the word "god" with "allah", and sent her kids off the the care of Mohammed. regardless, religion made her choice more sentient, more available. i think an atheist would have been less likely to do this.

Sorry, I don't hop on the Muslim bashing bandwagon.

I'd be curious if you were to back up that assertion with facts. Was Picton a churchgoer humming Te Deums and getting right with Jesus as he hacked up all those women?

$1:

now, go ahead and call me the FNG and tell me to clean the cans or whatever.. one day, i'll have a million posts and be entitled to my 'sweeping generalizations'.

You'll still get called on them, you'll just have a bunch of little flags by your name.

[Mockingbird]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Neg rep deserved for an outright bullshit statement. Don't want a beef but you'll start it off with a neg rep, eh? More of the passive aggressiveness, which is also expected. You came in hiding behind it like Linus and his blanket it and now you can't put it down. Still looking for a level headed question, but I doubt that'll happen.

I suspect the same idiot behind doors one and two. No thanks on three.

Call it what you like the question still stands...without an answer I might add. But I get it's probably more that you can't answer, not because you won't. Either way I did get an asnwer to some degree. It's to push your weight around and intimidate is my guess. Not going to exit the post hurling insults, you've said enough for us both in that regard.

[Gunnair]

"Mockingbird"

$1:

Call it what you like the question still stands...without an answer I might add. But I get it's probably more that you can't answer, not because you won't. Either way I did get an asnwer to some degree. It's to push your weight around and intimidate is my guess.

$1:

Not going to exit the post hurling insults, you've said enough for us both in that regard.

Good for you.

After a hiatus because posters like me annoy the crap out of innocents like yourself, you wade in, pick a fight after hiding behind a paragraph of passive aggressive bullshit, continue with the cowardly tactic after being called on it (and you so bitterly denying it) then stand there looking clueless and wondering why posters like me send shitty missives your way.

Poor wee you.

Well, you've got the massive whining hypocrite schtick down pat. Care to follow it up with an encore?