[Gunnair]

I think it would be highly beneficial for Harper to call a debate, if only to legitimize this by a majority in the Commons so that any fall out does not fall squarely on the CPC. If the Liberals are in favour of a non-combat training role, then it behooves Harper to have them publically support him in the Commons if only to have some political friction between the potential alliance partners.

I'm puzzled as to why he does not want to to do this since the Liberals have already said they would support it.

[Bodah]

Considering the oppositions past history on Afghanistan in the house. I think they should have a debate in order to make if official only for one important reason.

There's a big crowd of anti-combat people out there. We are currently officially still fighting and we have to stick around for the training phase it should be noted if our troops are going to train the Afghan population properly it has to be done in the environment they'll be expected to work , outside the wire "training" soldiers.

Without a doubt they will have to fire their weapons a few times and maybe kill a few more enemies during the "training" phase. Especially that the enemies knows we are officially calling it the training phase they will test that out at one point or another, guaranteed.

So I hope anti-war activists don't get their knickers in a knot when it happens because it will.

So yeah debate it in the house.

[Gunnair]

Bodah Bodah:

Considering the oppositions past history on Afghanistan in the house. I think they should have a debate in order to make if official only for one important reason.

There's a big crowd of anti-combat people out there. We are currently officially still fighting and we have to stick around for the training phase it should be noted if our troops are going to train the Afghan population properly it has to be done in the environment they'll be expected to work , outside the wire "training" soldiers.

Without a doubt they will have to fire their weapons a few times and maybe kill a few more enemies during the "training" phase. Especially that the enemies knows we are officially calling it the training phase they will test that out at one point or another, guaranteed.

So I hope anti-war activists don't get their knickers in a knot when it happens because it will.

So yeah debate it in the house.

More important than the kill more enemies point is that more Canadian soldiers will be killed. One would think Harper would want the Liberals on side to deal with the political fallout of that in a post combat mission.

[EyeBrock]

Yea, I agree Gunny. I don't get why he doesn't want to do this. Getting a vote will seal the deal, otherwise the first casualty will be a bone of political contention and the implied agreement will vanish in a partisan haze.

Getting an agreement in Parliament will mitigate the political risk.

[Gunnair]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Yea, I agree Gunny. I don't get why he doesn't want to do this. Getting a vote will seal the deal, otherwise the first casualty will be a bone of political contention and the implied agreement will vanish in a partisan haze.

Getting an agreement in Parliament will mitigate the political risk.

I think it'll be far more than a bone of political contention. Afghanistan is so unpopular and Harper's reversal of his decision to pull all of the troops out is a massive political hot potatoe. the second troops go outside the wire, get into a firefight, and heaven forbid, get killed in the process, the Conservatives will be on the hook for it.

So far, I'm unimpressed at his selling job of this. Come clean with the electorate and tell them that NATO is pushing hard for Canada to continue its commitment. Shine a light on the dealmaking so that his decisions, and the support of the opposition, ultimately allow the public to go into this open-eyed.

Right now his approach has every possibility to kill his chances in the next election if things go wrong because this won't be an extention of a Liberal plan, but a Conservative plan on its own.

[EyeBrock]

Yea, this is a silly move. Open it up for a vote. He's gonna lose Tory voters on this one.

[Bodah]

Gunnair Gunnair:

More important than the kill more enemies point is that more Canadian soldiers will be killed. One would think Harper would want the Liberals on side to deal with the political fallout of that in a post combat mission.

Good point.

[kenmore]

You don't need any votes in an autocratic government. We all have to toe the line in harperdom.

[ShepherdsDog]

kenmore kenmore:

You don't need any votes in an autocratic government. We all had to toe the line in Trudopia.

If you're going to talk about autocrats you need to be correct.

[putz]

djakeydd djakeydd:

Afghanistan is a lost cause, Gorbachev just made that clear in a statment, but lets just keep on that lost cause with our little nazi leading the cheering section. By the way, I dont see him or his cabinet pals volunteering their sons and daughter for that hell hole. Let me make this abundantly clear, Afghanistan will NEVER be won.

So I guess by joining up and serving this little "Nazi" and volunteering my time in Afghanistan I'm nothing better then a brown shirt or a jack boot or a hell even a Waffen SS thug then... your right he hasn't volunteered his kids to go. But I volunteered to go, have gone and will go again if need be. THANKS FOR THE COMPARISON!

[Gunnair]

kenmore kenmore:

You don't need any votes in an autocratic government. We all have to toe the line in harperdom.

How can you sleep at night knowing so little about politics as you do?

[ShepherdsDog]

I think he sleeps quite well and deeply...due to a restricted blood flow to the brain. People in a persistent vegetative state aren't troubled by facts.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

djakeydd djakeydd:

Afghanistan is a lost cause, Gorbachev just made that clear in a statment, but lets just keep on that lost cause with our little nazi leading the cheering section. By the way, I dont see him or his cabinet pals volunteering their sons and daughter for that hell hole. Let me make this abundantly clear, Afghanistan will NEVER be won.

Ok let's clean up the stupid you spilled all over the floor. First off, neither of Harper's kids are old enough Second, before condemning the rest of the CPC members, how many of Chretien's family did you see him volunteering when HIS gov't made the decision to go in the 1st place. How many of Chretien's cabinet pals volunteered their kids?
And third, the LPC is supporting this as well. Don't see them volunteering their kids for it either.

But hey, why don't you tell us how you really feel

[2Cdo]

Gunnair Gunnair:

kenmore kenmore:

You don't need any votes in an autocratic government. We all have to toe the line in harperdom.

How can you sleep at night knowing so little?

Just had to clean up your post, it had too many words.

[Gunnair]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Gunnair Gunnair:

kenmore kenmore:

You don't need any votes in an autocratic government. We all have to toe the line in harperdom.

How can you sleep at night knowing so little?

Just had to clean up your post, it had too many words.

Good call. Thanks for having my back on that one!