[Demian_164]

Thanos Thanos:

I'm appalled that the Israelis didn't immediately order an airstrike. Even if they didn't kill the evil little fucker they would have succeeded in scaring the shit out of him as badly as Reagan did to Khadafi.

cuz murder is how we solve problems!

[Thanos]

Killing terrorists and genocidal maniacs isn't murder. It's justice in it's purest form.

[desertdude]

tritium tritium:

Well it's not any more problematic that Israel bombing Iranian Nuclear facilities within Iran's borders, which will have to be done if Iran continues to develop nukes.

And why is that. If and when Iran does get nuclear capability, you think it will use it against Israel. Use your commone sense man.

If that ever happens, Iran will effectively wipe out whole of Palestine as well as the palestenians, as well a good part of Lebanon and bits and pieces of Syria and Egypt. Looked at a map recently ?

The country is so tiny even with a small bomb and as far from palestenian population as possible, it would still end up killing thousands of palestenians

And if that happens the entire arab world will turn against Iran including its own people which most have already had it and destory it from within aswell as outside. You think Iran is so dumb as in to wipe out the nation its claims to be fighting for its freedom. Its like shooting itself in the foot.

Iran is all about rethoric and the only think its govt cares about is supporting the shia's covertly. Irans democraticaly elected leader Mossadegh was removed from power by CIA meddeling. And a brutal dictator installed. Then later on Khatimi also an elected leader wanted to talk bush outright turned refused on more than one occassion. And you wonder they are skeptical about the west.

And there is obviously support for Iran with in the shia community in Lebanon I think this comment on a story about Mr Nutjob in the Israeli paper The Haaretz explains it all

$1:

As a Lebanese, and the vast majority of my fellow citizens share my opinion, between a nation who rebuilds my ruins and a nation that destroys my city and burn my children, I will ally with the first one. Israel, since you arrived to the region you have not made the life of any arab living in his homeland better. You segregated us and you created religious extremism in my beloved country. You are the opposite of peace and hope. Iran may not be democratic from the inside, but it has helped us a great deal to rebuild the country you destroyed. Between the Farsis and the Zionists, I pick the least damaging one...

[Demian_164]

justice without a fair and impartial trial? riiiight. you have no proof of genocide, you have no proof the people he was meeting was actually responsible for killing anyone.

actually its the state of israel which should be considered genocidal. what did iran do to israel but dare stand up to it?

[desertdude]

Thanos Thanos:

I'm appalled that the Israelis didn't immediately order an airstrike. Even if they didn't kill the evil little fucker they would have succeeded in scaring the shit out of him as badly as Reagan did to Khadafi.

And then people talk about peace in the middle east. What do you think the back lash of such an assasination will be ?

And knowing mossad, shin bet and their past records, they probaly plan it everytime he steps out of Iran. But they are getting sloppy after their last assasination in Dubai and pissed of the Brits and a few others by using their forged documents.

[tritium]

Demian_164 Demian_164:

justice without a fair and impartial trial? riiiight. you have no proof of genocide, you have no proof the people he was meeting was actually responsible for killing anyone.

actually its the state of israel which should be considered genocidal. what did iran do to israel but dare stand up to it?

[desertdude]

Demian_164 Demian_164:

justice without a fair and impartial trial? riiiight. you have no proof of genocide, you have no proof the people he was meeting was actually responsible for killing anyone.

actually its the state of israel which should be considered genocidal. what did iran do to israel but dare stand up to it?

[tritium]

desertdude desertdude:

If that ever happens, Iran will effectively wipe out whole of Palestine as well as the palestenians, as well a good part of Lebanon and bits and pieces of Syria and Egypt. Looked at a map recently ?

Muslims killing Muslims is nothing new, it's a daily occurrence and they are considered martyrs for the cause.

[Thanos]

Ahmadinejad is self-convicted and guilty by his own words, policies, and actions. He is a tyrant, a terrorist, and a Jew-hating genocider (in spoken intent, if not yet in action). If he were surgically removed from existence this very second I'd weep not.

Eliminating him BTW would also probably be the best way to ensure that no great loss of Iranian lives would ever occur, in a new war or by any Israeli counter-strike. This is eminently logical and entirely plausible, considering that at least a couple hundred thousand Iraqi lives wouldn't have been senselessly lost if someone had assassinated Saddam and his sons.

[Demian_164]

tritium tritium:

Demian_164 Demian_164:

justice without a fair and impartial trial? riiiight. you have no proof of genocide, you have no proof the people he was meeting was actually responsible for killing anyone.

actually its the state of israel which should be considered genocidal. what did iran do to israel but dare stand up to it?

this still doesnt apply to what i said. it has nothing to do with genocide or the murder of israeli citizens. irans domestics problems are their own. im not defending the iranian regime in its entirety, but we can just choose to apply a set of ethics when it benefits us only. the law isnt in place just to benefit some epeople and not others.

[desertdude]

Thanos Thanos:

Ahmadinejad is self-convicted and guilty by his own words, policies, and actions. He is a tyrant, a terrorist, and a Jew-hating genocider (in spoken intent, if not yet in action). If he were surgically removed from existence this very second I'd weep not.

Eliminating him BTW would also probably be the best way to ensure that no great loss of Iranian lives would ever occur, in a new war or by any Israeli counter-strike. This is eminently logical and entirely plausible, considering that at least a couple hundred thousand Iraqi lives wouldn't have been senselessly lost if someone had assassinated Saddam and his sons.

Thats just naive thinking, you think he actually holds any real power, he is just a front for the mullahs. If he goes another one will pop up in his place.

[Demian_164]

Thanos Thanos:

Ahmadinejad is self-convicted and guilty by his own words, policies, and actions. He is a tyrant, a terrorist, and a Jew-hating genocider (in spoken intent, if not yet in action). If he were surgically removed from existence this very second I'd weep not.

Eliminating him BTW would also probably be the best way to ensure that no great loss of Iranian lives would ever occur, in a new war or by any Israeli counter-strike. This is eminently logical and entirely plausible, considering that at least a couple hundred thousand Iraqi lives wouldn't have been senselessly lost if someone had assassinated Saddam and his sons.

no proof. intent is not enough to indict someone. i have read many numerous acounts that his "wiping off the map" was a fault translation. furthermore, the destruction of the zionist state does not imply genocide. just like wishing for the collapse of the soviet union was not genocidal. zionism is an ideology not a people.

it depends on what strand of ethics you choose. i guess you are a utilitarian and would argue murdering one innocent person is a good thing if it saves the lives of 2 others. i would argue against that. if israel assassinated their leader, you could certainly expect the iranians to retalite, and their people would rally behind them.

and there is no way you can accurately predict what would happen if someone assassinated saddam hussein instead of the invasion...where do you get this figure of "a couple hundred thousand"? are you jsut making this up?

[desertdude]

Demian_164 Demian_164:

tritium tritium:

Demian_164 Demian_164:

justice without a fair and impartial trial? riiiight. you have no proof of genocide, you have no proof the people he was meeting was actually responsible for killing anyone.

actually its the state of israel which should be considered genocidal. what did iran do to israel but dare stand up to it?

this still doesnt apply to what i said. it has nothing to do with genocide or the murder of israeli citizens. irans domestics problems are their own. im not defending the iranian regime in its entirety, but we can just choose to apply a set of ethics when it benefits us only. the law isnt in place just to benefit some epeople and not others.

Yes the govt is mudererous and tyranical. I just wont say nutjob as I explained in my earlier post and I personally and strongly believe the days of the Mullacracy are numbered in Iran.

Anyways Demian was talking the people he was meeting there. And also as Dem said Israel way more genocidal than Iran on its worst day.

[BartSimpson]

desertdude desertdude:

Thats just naive thinking, you think (Ahmadinejad) actually holds any real power, he is just a front for the mullahs. If he goes another one will pop up in his place.

I agree. Ahmadinejad is the figurehead that the mullahs want and if the man were assassinated, or if he merely died of a heart attack tomorrow, the mullahs would replace him with someone just like him.

As for any notion of war with Iran, I really want to see that avoided at all costs. The Iranians are really pretty decent and progressive people and I think they've collectively had enough of the so-called Islamic Republic. The best thing to do there is to keep on with the sanctions and force the government to yield to free and fair elections.

[desertdude]

Agreed, but you guys have a nasty habit of disposing or messing with democratically elected leaders who don't gel with your foriegn policies. Mohammad Mosaddegh, Salvador Allende and even Hamas which was democraticaly elected.

You can have democracy, but your not free to choose who you like.