Chumley Chumley:
diggerdick diggerdick:
the new drinking and driving laws and the fact that you can lose your license be fined and have your car impounded by a cop with a single handheld roadside Breathalyzer is extremely frightening.
they do not have to take you back to the police station and give you a proper Breathalyzer or allow you to talk to your lawyer.
the police officers are very happy to the fact that now they have to do very little paperwork and any mistakes that they make will not be caught by either a judge or a lawyer.
how quick people forget, the countless cases of police misconduct and misjudgment that have caused citizens pain and even death.
But of course anything I say could not be possibly true because we all know I'm a cop hater
Very good points.
I think it should be mandatory that the police have to take anyone pulled over back to the station to give you a breathalyzer no matter what the roadside breathalzyer says because it could be inaccurate and police have poor observational skills.Paddy wagons should be on every roadsite checkstop to ferry people to the station en masse to save on gas.
personal Vehicles can be pushed into the ditch and retrieved later by tow trucks to avoid blocking the street.
Paperwork should lengthy and every form filled out should be checked over by at least two other officers to ensure the originator hasn't typed a 0 instead of an o. Suspected drunk drivers who have been brought to the station in the paddy wagon will be given acccomodations in the drunk tank until thier paperwork is inspected and approved.
Seems to me that a
taxi cab would be a helluvalotcheaper and less hassle! How could
anyone possibly be
against any attempts to curtail impaired driving???
Canadian Drunk Driving; DUI; DWI; Impaired Driving Law.
Topics on this page:
BC makes impaired driving laws tougher.
Impaired Driving is a Federal Criminal Offence
What are my Rights and What do I do if I am Pulled Over for Suspected Impaired Driving?
Timeline from Suspected Impaired Driving to Court Appearance
Impaired Driving Penalties
Should I retain a lawyer?
BC makes impaired driving laws tougher.
It was announced on October 18, 2004 that BC will have new tougher impaired driving laws in effect by the year end. The highlights are as follows:
Drivers with a Criminal Code drinking driving conviction will have to complete a rehabilitation program;
Drinking driving offenders with three or more conviction may have install a device that requires a breath sample before a vehicle will start;
Drivers receiving a 24-hour roadside suspension can also have their vehicles impounded for 24 hours;
If a driver disputes a 24-hour prohibition, police can use the roadside screening device as an approved breath test rather than having to conduct the test at a police station.
Impaired Driving is a Federal Criminal Offence
Section 253(b) of the Criminal Code of Canada makes it an offence to operate or have care and control of a motor vehicle, vessel, aircraft or railway equipment while your blood alcohol concentration is greater than 80 milligrams of alcohol in 100 millilitres of blood. This term is often shortened to 80 mg% or .08.
Other Criminal driving offences include:
Failing to provide a breath sample,
Dangerous driving,
Failing to stop after an accident,
Criminal negligence in the operation of a motor vehicle,
Driving while prohibited,
Engaging police in a pursuit, and
all the above (where applicable) resulting in bodily harm or death.
What are my Rights and What do I do if I am Pulled Over for Suspected Impaired Driving?
You have the Right not to Incriminate yourself:
You do not have to tell the police officer how much you have had to drink or when you started or finished drinking;
You do not have to perform any sobriety test such as walking a line;
What you Must do:
You have to produce your driver's licence; vehicle registration and insurance;
If asked you must blow into blow into an Approved Screening Device (ASD).
What does the Approved Screening Device (ASD) Do?
It tests for the presence of alcohol in your body;
It is set for a "warn" at a reading of between of 50 to 100 milligrams (Note: The legal limit is 80 milligrams or .08);
It is set for a "fail" at a reading of a 100 milligrams and over (Note: The legal limit is 80 milligrams or .08).
What happens if I blow over 100 milligrams?
The police officer can suspend your drivers licence for 90 days;
The police officer can require you to attend at the police station to take a breathalyser test, which gives a more precise measure of the alcohol in your blood.
What are my Rights Regarding the Breathalyser Test?
You have the right to be told why yo're being detained at the police station;
You must be told of your right to contact a lawyer before having to give a breathalyser sample;If you blow over .08 you'll be charged with this offence;
If you blow under .08 you still may be charged with the separate offence of impaired driving.
Timeline from Suspected Impaired Driving to Court Appearance
The following timeline is based on an uncomplicated impaired driving investigation.
(This timeline is applicable to BC and was prepared by RRID)
00:00 The suspect vehicle is sighted and pulled over.
00:02 Driver's documents have been obtained and an odour of liquor is noted on the driver's breath.
00:04 Driver is warned about being under investigation for impaired driving and the Approved Screening Device (ASD) demand is made.
00:05 Driver blows a fail on the ASD.
00:06 Driver is given the police warning and advised of his/her Charter Rights.
00:08 Breathalyzer demand is made.
00:09 24 hour suspension demand is made. Driver is placed in police vehicle for transport to the Detachment for testing.
00:25 A driving time of 15 minutes is assumed to arrive at the detachment. This estimate could be somewhat less or much more depending on the initial location.
00:27 Driver decides to contact Legal Aid for advice and an initial call is made.
00:47 An average time of 20 minutes for Legal Aid to return the initial call is assumed. The waiting time is seldom much less than this.
00:57 An average time of 10 minutes for conversation with Legal Aid is assumed. It is not usually much more or less than this.
Driver is taken to the breath testing area. Impaired drivers investigation guide is completed.
01:18 Face to face observation period to guard against mouth alcohol is completed prior to breath testing.
01:21 First breath sample is taken and analyzed. Sample over 100 mg. % is assumed for this scenario.
01:38 15 clear minutes are observed prior to test number 2. Sample over 100 mg % and within 20 mg % of the first sample is assumed. If not, a third test would be required. The driver's fingerprints and photograph are often taken in this waiting period.
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01:41 Driver is escorted to a secure location to await preparation and service of documents. A ride home is usually arranged at this point.
01:56 Breath test technician prepares Certificate of Analysis. Investigator prepares an Administrative Driving Prohibition, a 24 hour Suspension Notice, a Promise to Appear for a court date, a Notice of Intention to Seek Greater Penalty by Reason of Previous Conviction if required.
02:00 Documents are served and the driver is released.
02:30 The investigator starts an investigation file. Details of the investigation are entered on the computer. The 3 circumstance pages of the ADP are completed and all pages faxed to the Superintendent of Motor Vehicles. A criminal record and a driving record are ordered. The file is organized and submitted to the supervisor for approval.
At this point the investigator may choose to return to patrol or if the shift is over can now go home.
03:30 A report to Crown Counsel is completed in triplicate. This consists of 5 or 6 typewritten pages depending on whether the investigator includes a narrative of events. Attached to this report are photocopies of the officer's notes, all documents produced so far except the ADP and 24 hour suspension, and a check sheet showing all pages included in the submission to Crown.
The file is now forwarded to Crown Counsel for a decision on charges.07:30 A typical court appearance by the investigator to give testimony will occupy at least half a shift. This assumes that the trial runs when scheduled and there are no adjournments.
A typical impaired driving investigation with a court appearance and no complications will easily consume 7 1/2 hours of an officer's time.
If a collision gave rise to the circumstances, long distances are involved, repeat court appearances occur and other paper work is required this time estimate can easily become double or longer.
Note: 1 - In Ontario, if the lower of the two readings is 90 mgs % or greater you will be issued a document advising you your driving privileges have been administratively suspended for 90 days. Even those who are acquitted of the charge, carry the 90-day suspension on their records for three years. This is one of the very few incidences in the English Speaking World where the cherished "Innocent until proven guilty" tenet is violated.
Impaired Driving Penalties
First time offence (over 80 mgms. of alcohol in 100 ml. of blood) carries a one-year suspension of driving privileges, and a fine of not less than $600.
Second time offence (over 80 mgms. of alcohol in 100 ml. of blood) carries a two-year suspension of driving privileges, and imprisonment for not less than 14 days.
Insurance premiums often rise dramatically, in some cases to $7,000 per year.
Also involved in a Crash - In BC, If you are convicted of impaired driving and you caused a crash, the cost of your vehicle insurance will increase. In addition, ICBC will not pay to repair or replace the vehicle. ICBC can also recover from you all costs associated with the crash.
Should I retain a lawyer?
You should seek legal advice if you are charged with impaired driving. Conviction is not automatic and there may be defences available to you to defeat the impaired driving charge. Legal fees are always a concern and may run you $2,000 to $5,000 plus expenses. Fees must be weighted against the costs of a conviction:
You may lose your job if you cannot drive;
You face a severe change in your life style if you cannot drive;
Addition Insurance premiums for up to six years;
You will have a criminal record;
In Ontario, persons convicted of drinking and driving offences must complete a remedial program at a cost of $475 plus GST before licence reinstatement.
Anyone convicted in Ontario of a drinking and driving offence, must install an ignition interlock in their vehicle once their driving privileges are restored. Before starting the car, the driver will have to blow into the device. If an impermissible level of alcohol is detected, the car will not start.
Persons convicted of a first offence have to use the device, which rents for about $100 a month, for at least one year; those convicted of a second offence can apply to have it removed after three years. A driver with more than two convictions must install the device permanently.
A criminal record could hurt your future employment and restrict your ability to travel. However, it should not prevent you from entering the United States as generally it is not a crime of moral turpitude under U.S. immigration law.
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