[andyt]

How much further away? What is the sacred radius? And will these guys have to move as well:

$1:

But for Chris, who declined to give her last name, and other dancers at the two strip clubs within three blocks of the World Trade Center site, the neighborhood is just where they go to work.

[stratos]

andyt andyt:

How much further away? What is the sacred radius? And will these guys have to move as well:

$1:

But for Chris, who declined to give her last name, and other dancers at the two strip clubs within three blocks of the World Trade Center site, the neighborhood is just where they go to work.

Like I said that would have to be worked out between the two parties and city officals.

[Brenda]

stratos stratos:

andyt andyt:

How much further away? What is the sacred radius? And will these guys have to move as well:

$1:

But for Chris, who declined to give her last name, and other dancers at the two strip clubs within three blocks of the World Trade Center site, the neighborhood is just where they go to work.

Like I said that would have to be worked out between the two parties and city officals.

Oh, that's easy...
"Hey! I don't want that damned "mosque" there, I don't care how you do it, just do it!"

Nice solution!

[stratos]

so you are opposed to civil discourse and comeing up with a compromise. Such negitivity and unwillingness to work towards a solution by both sides of the issue is exactly what is going on right now.

[Brenda]

No, I am opposed to people yelling they don't agree with something, and do not come up with a solution.
All you do is yell "ALL MUSLIMS ARE BAD!!! WE DON"T WANT YOU HERE!!"

Newsflash, Muslims are people too!

[Gunnair]

Brenda Brenda:

No, I am opposed to people yelling they don't agree with something, and do not come up with a solution.
All you do is yell "ALL MUSLIMS ARE BAD!!! WE DON"T WANT YOU HERE!!"

Newsflash, Muslims are people too!

Frankly, people are more opposed to the culture of many Muslims (tribalism, gender inequality, and many other inequalities) than they probably are of Islam.

[stratos]

Brenda Brenda:

No, I am opposed to people yelling they don't agree with something, and do not come up with a solution.
All you do is yell "ALL MUSLIMS ARE BAD!!! WE DON"T WANT YOU HERE!!"

Newsflash, Muslims are people too!

wow you really have not read a thing i've written not supprising.

Newsflash read whats been written in the thread before you start attacking someones post.

Newsflash christians are people too!

People that do not agree with your point of view are people too.

I stated, what seems to me, a very civil way to hopefully solve the issue. You have totaly ignored it and have accused me of saying something totaly opposite.

[Brenda]

stratos stratos:

Brenda Brenda:

No, I am opposed to people yelling they don't agree with something, and do not come up with a solution.

All you do is yell "ALL MUSLIMS ARE BAD!!! WE DON"T WANT YOU HERE!!"

Newsflash, Muslims are people too!

wow you really have not read a thing i've written not supprising.

Newsflash read whats been written in the thread before you start attacking someones post.

Newsflash christians are people too!

People that do not agree with your point of view are people too.

I stated, what seems to me, a very civil way to hopefully solve the issue. You have totaly ignored it and have accused me of saying something totaly opposite.

The only thing you are actually saying is:
"ALL Muslims in the world are responsible for the attack of the towers"
"Because of that, NO ONE wants a Mosque there"
"Find another place to build that mosque"

Just fyi, NOT all Muslims in the world are responsible for the attack, nor do they ALL condone it.
Not everyone is opposed to the Centre being built there, including people who lost loved ones in the attack.
The city gave out a permit, there already are a few mosques close to Ground Zero.

Then, to address your personal attacks... I never said Christians are not people, and I don't understand where that comes from? What does Christianity have to do with any of this?

I never claimed you have to agree with my point of view, but a little tolerance for my, and others standpoint would be muchly appreciated. I don't say you have to agree. I never did. I just don't want your opinion shoved through my throat as being fact. It's an opinion, just like mine is an opinion.

Furthermore, keep your insults to yourself. Thanks.

[EyeBrock]

I think most of us agree that the whole GZ-mosque thing was handled with insensitivity by the NY Muslim’s and their leadership.

However, this whole issue has now been hijacked by the racists. There are not too many ways out of this conundrum.

I suggested on another of the dozens of Islam vs West threads that the negative controversy about this building could be turned around to a positive.

Make it a multi-faith and multi-use mosque/temple/church community centre. It would be symbolic but isn’t this whole argument just symbolic?

[sandorski]

All Religion is stupid. That said, Religious people have the Right to be Religious. Forcing the "GZ Mosque" further away from GZ should not happen for the reason of not letting Hatred win the day. Plain and simple.

Face it, it's proximity is not the issue. The issue is Hatred of all things Islam, which is clearly seen in other parts of the US where opposition to Mosque Construction is also vehement.

Those opposing the "GZ Mosque" are Bigots. End of discussion.

[desertdude]

What the racist and bigots would have achieved if this doesn't get built now is that it will just strengthen the view that the USA and its constitution is a sham and anti muslim and Islam. Which could very well create more "jihadis" and give fuel to the radical extremeist fire. Will give rise to more anti American sentiment world over. What effectively would be said is the USA blames the entire Muslim population of the world responsible. Which even the moderates and liberals will not take to likely. No one likes to be blamed for something they have not done, plus a million other reasons.

What these people don't realise the terrorist will have unquestionably won and their actions are playing right into their hands. Acting as the same way as the terrorists do, who do not differenciate between govt, military and civilians and hold everyone responsible for the actions of a few.

What was it that they said, we will strike terror into the heart of every American deep in their homeland. And with this it will become a self full filling prophecy and they would have succeding in their goals. Nothing would please them more.

In my view a much bigger slap in the face of the terrorists would be let this go ahead. We are not like you and we refuse to act and think like you.

Btw what exactly is their argument now for not letting the center being built

[ASLplease]

its hard to separate racists and bigots from the rest of society, especially when it comes to rights of religion. Religion is full of racism and bigotry, often the bill rights rights supports racism and bigotry merely by support the right for a religous organization to imigrate to Canada.

[Brenda]

$1:

Btw what exactly is their argument now for not letting the center being built

Emotions.

[BeaverFever]

stratos stratos:

A true compromise would be that the center was built further away, both sides and city officals sitting down and working out where. But thats a pipe dream neither side will back down. Thus the muslims get their center and those opposed to the location are also happy.

Nice logic, lets apply that thinking to other scenarios:

-If slaves had really believed in equality, they would have compromised with white slave owners and maybe would have agred to still be slaves half a day. Why were slaves to intolerant to the needs of slave owners?

-If Martin Luther King really believed in civil rights, he would have compromised with segregationists and agreed to only let blacks go to school til grade 5. Why was he so intolerant to the needs of segregationists?

Point is, the demand to place a special restriction on the legitimate activities of this particualr group is unconstitutional and the concerns over a mosque near ground zero are unfounded and unfair and completely invalid. They don't deserve recognition or accommodation in any way.

Let me put this another way: Imagine if I went door-to-door in your neighbourhood and convinced all your neighbours you were a crack dealer and a pedophile. The neighbours then tell you that as a compromise, they'll only let you stay if you agree to never leave your house after dark, never have visitors to the neighbourhood and to put a pedophile warning sign on your lawn. Would you be "reasonable" and compromise, or would you tell them to get bent and stop treating you as a criminal since you've done nothing wrong?

[ASLplease]

sure we cant stop the neighborhood from being ruined by a mosque,

yet I used to live in a new community where I had this stupid wooden spindal attached to the gable end of my house. If I took it down, the community association had the right to put it back up and send me a bill for the work.