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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 9:56 am
 


saturn_656 saturn_656:
I hope you don't consider the oil industry to be in the same league as "kiddy porn" and illegal drugs.


I don't. I consider the oil industry much worse.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 9:58 am
 


EyeBrock EyeBrock:
I have mixed feelings on this.

I think that the Yanks are being very hypocritical on the oil sands. As PA9 pointed out, the alternates are buying oil from repressive Arab regimes linked to terrorist funding or good old Commy Hugo and corrupt African countries.

On the other hand big oil should be ensuring that the destruction to our ecology/environment is minimal. They have enough cash to do this and maybe our government should be legislating it so.


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Most of the companies operating in the oilsands have tons of cash, because the Alberta government is only charging them 1% royalty fees for oil sands oil, while other jurisdictions commonly charge as much as 20% (including Texas and Alaska). Now while they don't get the market price for that oil (heavy oil is usually only worth about 2/3 of what light sweet crude is), with the low royalty rates, they are making a killing and are obligated to repair the environment.

However, the SAGD process that they use kills off all the micro-organisms in the soil, rendering essentially inert and lifeless, which makes remediation incredibly difficult. Research is working on a method to restore the soil to its former vitality, but they aren't there yet.

Still, while I agree that we should be researching renewable sources of energy, the most optimistic estimates I've seen for it are at least two decades away for a total shift from oil to something else, so we need something in the short term. While some may look at companies like Shell and BP starting up solar/wind/etc divisions as some PR move to make them look better in the eyes of consumers, I prefer to think that they see the end of oil coming and want to position themselves to survive that transition.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:06 am
 


bootlegga bootlegga:



Still, while I agree that we should be researching renewable sources of energy, the most optimistic estimates I've seen for it are at least two decades away for a total shift from oil to something else,


If you have to say "two decades away from something else..." ie no clear idea what that something is, then it's probably more than two decades away. We have lots of something elses, but none in any way competitive with oil. Not just in price, scarcity would take care of that, but in utility. And oil isn't just about energy, but plastics and who knows what else that's manufactured from it.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:12 am
 


Lemmy Lemmy:
saturn_656 saturn_656:
I hope you don't consider the oil industry to be in the same league as "kiddy porn" and illegal drugs.


I don't. I consider the oil industry much worse.


We still need to gas our cars. Heat our homes.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 11:10 am
 


Don't forget the plastics that come from oil that's used to make computers so ppl can go on-line and complain about how bad oil is. :lol:


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:50 pm
 


Now three of the companies (Gap, Levis and Timberland) are saying they are NOT boycotting the oilsands.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/story ... sands.html


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 7:53 am
 


saturn_656 saturn_656:
Lemmy Lemmy:
saturn_656 saturn_656:
I hope you don't consider the oil industry to be in the same league as "kiddy porn" and illegal drugs.


I don't. I consider the oil industry much worse.


We still need to gas our cars. Heat our homes.


...diddle some children in a meth fuelled orgy.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:17 am
 


EyeBrock EyeBrock:
I have mixed feelings on this.

I think that the Yanks are being very hypocritical on the oil sands. As PA9 pointed out, the alternates are buying oil from repressive Arab regimes linked to terrorist funding or good old Commy Hugo and corrupt African countries.

On the other hand big oil should be ensuring that the destruction to our ecology/environment is minimal. They have enough cash to do this and maybe our government should be legislating it so.


My feelings exactly. Stelmach's "It's all good" campaign reeks of saccharine insincerity. The oil sands are a real environmental issue--deal with it; don't gloss it over with a bunch of BS and glossy pamphlets. People aren't buying it (literally!).

If I were Stelmach I'd being doing interviews to the effect that Levi Strauss would rather prop up Al Qeada than buy oil from a secure source from a country whose interests are aligned with the US.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:42 am
 


bootlegga bootlegga:
Now three of the companies (Gap, Levis and Timberland) are saying they are NOT boycotting the oilsands.

I smell some serious back peddling on their parts. I dunno how much Walgreen's is represented in Canada but the other 3 and their subsidiaries could/would suffer some serious losses in sales in Canada, and I think they know that.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 10:49 am
 


PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
bootlegga bootlegga:
Now three of the companies (Gap, Levis and Timberland) are saying they are NOT boycotting the oilsands.

I smell some serious back peddling on their parts. I dunno how much Walgreen's is represented in Canada but the other 3 and their subsidiaries could/would suffer some serious losses in sales in Canada, and I think they know that.


They should have considered that first. Too late. I didn't frequent their products before, now I never will.


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