[sandorski]

Jesus put them there to test our Faith!

[mentalfloss]

Dragom Dragom:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Dragom Dragom:

Religion is certainty, science is uncertainty.

You got that backwards.

God created man 6000 years ago.

Man started using tools at least 3.6 million years ago, so human kind most be at least that old if that is the way you want to classify humanity.

Which sounds more certain?

This is a joke post, right?

[QBC]

A 6000 year old one....

[jason700]

Dragom Dragom:

Religion is certainty, science is uncertainty.

"Certainty" is not the word I would use... "Assumptive" would be more accurate.

(Funny, the Jehovah's came to my door just as I got done typing this. )

[Mustang1]

Dragom Dragom:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Dragom Dragom:

Religion is certainty, science is uncertainty.

You got that backwards.

God created man 6000 years ago.

Man started using tools at least 3.6 million years ago, so human kind most be at least that old if that is the way you want to classify humanity.

Which sounds more certain?

I gotta' agree with mentalfloss - is this serious?

[DrCaleb]

Dragom Dragom:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Dragom Dragom:

Religion is certainty, science is uncertainty.

You got that backwards.

God created man 6000 years ago.

Man started using tools at least 3.6 million years ago, so human kind most be at least that old if that is the way you want to classify humanity.

Which sounds more certain?

The one that actually has a fossilized antler to back it up.

[andyt]

I agree with dragom. Religion is about certainty, don't confuse me with the facts. Good science is never about certainty, but about the best explanation given current knowledge, always open to revision. Scientism is just another religion, except with ego at the head instead of God.

*Except the Dalai Lama, who said if belief contradicts science, then it's belief that must change.

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

I agree with dragom. Religion is about certainty, don't confuse me with the facts.

You guys are hilarious.

OK. We have here a fossilized antler, that shows evidence it was hacked or cut with a sharp object. It is 3.2 million years old, indicating that hominids probably butchered the animal formerly wearing the antler. Which makes it about a million years older that the last one we found, and fundamentally changes when we thought hominids began to live in social groups needed to hunt prey. Those social groups are what helped evolve those early hominids into what I like to call 'us'. These are some of the facts this antler tells us about our ancestors, and about ourselves.

What certainties can you tell me about religion? For example, do I have a soul? Is there an afterlife? Can God create an object which He cannot move?

Are you just attempting to troll, or is it just that are you easily confused with facts?

Edit:

andyt andyt:

Good science is never about certainty, but about the best explanation given current knowledge, always open to revision. Scientism is just another religion, except with ego at the head instead of God.

*Except the Dalai Lama, who said if belief contradicts science, then it's belief that must change.

Good science adapts to new evidence. The fact these are our ancestors is not changed by when they existed.

Science has the unusual trait that it is repeatable by anyone. Religion's prerequisite is that you must blindly follow someone elses' opinion. That my friend is Ego.

[andyt]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

andyt andyt:

I agree with dragom. Religion is about certainty, don't confuse me with the facts.

You guys are hilarious.

OK. We have here a fossilized antler, that shows evidence it was hacked or cut with a sharp object. It is 3.2 million years old, indicating that hominids probably butchered the animal formerly wearing the antler. Which makes it about a million years older that the last one we found, and fundamentally changes when we thought hominids began to live in social groups needed to hunt prey. Those social groups are what helped evolve those early hominids into what I like to call 'us'. These are some of the facts this antler tells us about our ancestors, and about ourselves.

What certainties can you tell me about religion? For example, do I have a soul? Is there an afterlife? Can God create an object which He cannot move?

Are you just attempting to troll, or is it just that are you easily confused with facts?

You'll have to ask your questions of a believer, Caleb. I can't help you there. I'm not an atheist, but I'm far from certain in my beliefs. In fact they're more questions than beliefs. But beleivers sound pretty certain, and some will advance arguments that the earth is 6000 years old and the various dating techniques are bullshit or the devil's work or just to test us or whatever. As I said, don't confuse me with the facts.

[Dragom]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

The one that actually has a fossilized antler to back it up.

Your confusing the world humans live in with reality.

One is more true, but the other is more certain. One can be argued rationally and is open to new evidence and change. The other isn't up for argument and will not change regardless of any new evidence.

[Mustang1]

andyt andyt:

But beleivers sound pretty certain, and some will advance arguments that the earth is 6000 years old and the various dating techniques are bullshit or the devil's work or just to test us or whatever.

They're not advancing "arguments" insomuch as they're spouting a dogma.

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

andyt andyt:

I agree with dragom. Religion is about certainty, don't confuse me with the facts.

You guys are hilarious.

OK. We have here a fossilized antler, that shows evidence it was hacked or cut with a sharp object. It is 3.2 million years old, indicating that hominids probably butchered the animal formerly wearing the antler. Which makes it about a million years older that the last one we found, and fundamentally changes when we thought hominids began to live in social groups needed to hunt prey. Those social groups are what helped evolve those early hominids into what I like to call 'us'. These are some of the facts this antler tells us about our ancestors, and about ourselves.

What certainties can you tell me about religion? For example, do I have a soul? Is there an afterlife? Can God create an object which He cannot move?

Are you just attempting to troll, or is it just that are you easily confused with facts?

You'll have to ask your questions of a believer, Caleb. I can't help you there. I'm not an atheist, but I'm far from certain in my beliefs. In fact they're more questions than beliefs. But beleivers sound pretty certain, and some will advance arguments that the earth is 6000 years old and the various dating techniques are bullshit or the devil's work or just to test us or whatever. As I said, don't confuse me with the facts.

I'll try not to. But you did make the statement "Scientism is just another religion, except with ego at the head instead of God." and I am the type who will argue the point of such absurdity till I am no longer amused with the argument. So you do hold yourself up as some sort of expert to be making this statement.

Yes, I am used to the circular logic employed by religions to try to justify 'faith', but that also should not be confused with 'certainty'. 'Faith' requires belief in the absence of proof, the opposite of 'certainty'. Religion is based on 'faith', therefore cannot contain 'certainty'. As we've discussed in the past though, science and religion are not incompatible, but should not be confused with each other.

There is no room for faith in Science. So, going back to "Scientism is just another religion . . .with ego at the head. . ." how did you manage to come up with such an amazingly incorrect statement?

[BartSimpson]

Dragom Dragom:

Religion is certainty, science is uncertainty.

Unless the topic is man-made global warming.

Remember, the science is in! The debate is over!

[andyt]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

There is no room for faith in Science. So, going back to "Scientism is just another religion . . .with ego at the head. . ." how did you manage to come up with such an amazingly incorrect statement?

What definition of Scientism are you using? I'm going with this one

$1:

Scientism is the idea that natural science is the most authoritative worldview or aspect of human education, and that it is superior to all other interpretations of life.[1] The term is used by social scientists such as Friedrich Hayek,[2] or philosophers of science such as Karl Popper, to describe what they see as the underlying attitudes and beliefs common to many scientists, whereby the study and methods of natural science have risen to the level of ideology

people on this forum love to accuse each other of trolling. If you think what I wrote previously is trolling, then you might must by too thenthitive to be on this forum. At least so far no net nanny seems to have followed up these accusations, so they're basically wasted keystrokes, is all.

[BartSimpson]

I figured out who cut up the antler...