[GreenTiger]

Unless of course if more Iranians wants to die for their country.

[kenmore]

The western world should unite and bomb the shit out of these useless fucking countries.. put an end to the maddness

[desertdude]

Unfortunately Iraq is anything but a victory, neither is Afghanistan, neither was Vietnam.

But I do support the War in Afghanistan, Iraq was nothing but an oil grab.

[mentalfloss]

desertdude desertdude:

Unfortunately Iraq is anything but a victory, neither is Afghanistan, neither was Vietnam.

But I do support the War in Afghanistan, Iraq was nothing but an oil grab.

Just curious, but what's our involvement in Afghanistan again? Is it not just a scapegoat for more resources just like Iraq was?

[desertdude]

Well why and how it started is a whole different story, but turned out to be a blessing in disguise.

[mentalfloss]

desertdude desertdude:

Well why and how it started is a whole different story, but turned out to be a blessing in disguise.

I'm fairly ignorant about this whole ordeal, so please do educate me on how this is?

[EyeBrock]

desertdude desertdude:

Unfortunately Iraq is anything but a victory, neither is Afghanistan, neither was Vietnam.

But I do support the War in Afghanistan, Iraq was nothing but an oil grab.

Yea, it was an oil grab.

Really DD. Come on.

The Yanks lost hundreds of guys and spent trillions of dollars in and on Iraq.

What percentage of Iraqi oil is pumped out of the ground by US companies?

The Jihadi propaganda is coming out again. Sounds good in a Dubai coffee shop but doesn't really stand up to a fact check.

Hey, make sure your facts don't come to you on a Blackberry eh? The local secret police will be on you.

You guys might even get the truth sometime.

[BartSimpson]

desertdude desertdude:

neither was Vietnam (a victory)

Vietnam was, indeed, a victory. Perhaps not in the way some would view it, but never the less, that is exactly what it was.

If you think that North Vietnam was the enemy in that war then, no, it was not a victory.

Think about it.

[Freakinoldguy]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

desertdude desertdude:

neither was Vietnam (a victory)

Vietnam was, indeed, a victory. Perhaps not in the way some would view it, but never the less, that is exactly what it was.

If you think that North Vietnam was the enemy in that war then, no, it was not a victory.

Think about it.

I understand the military victory point of view but politically VietNam was a dismal failure for the US?

So could you explain how you get victory out of what turned out to be at best a stalemate?

[bootlegga]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Don't forget that the same kind of folks bragging up these subs once told us all how the Iraqi Republican Guards were going to massacre tens of thousands of US and allied troops back in 1991.

The truth is that outside of a few countries, most militaries are neglected by their governments and the troops are ill-prepared to fight well-equipped and highly trained troops.

If the Iranians get into a shooting war with the USA I give it about three weeks before US troops occupy Tehran.

The problem wouldn't be in the few weeks it would take to wipe out the Iranian military, it would be in the months/years afterwards trying to wipe out insurgents, just like Iraq and Afghanistan.

Just like Vietnam, the threat is far more a political one than it is a military one.

[ManifestDestiny]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

desertdude desertdude:

neither was Vietnam (a victory)

Vietnam was, indeed, a victory. Perhaps not in the way some would view it, but never the less, that is exactly what it was.

If you think that North Vietnam was the enemy in that war then, no, it was not a victory.

Think about it.

Vietnam was a hot battle in the Cold war........Communism was the enemy.......We won....Ronnie boy lead the way. God knows we could used him now.

[EyeBrock]

Vietnam was a long, painful disaster for the Yanks. A lot of lessons were learned but there were numerous strategic, tactical and political mistakes made by the US in Vietnam.

Americans have never been efficient conquerors. All guns and no ideas at times.

They go in, kick the bad guys ass and then inherit a power vacuum that they are not willing to really fill.


Vietnam was a US victory in a Dunkirk kind of way.

[sandorski]

10(ish) Years of Malaise is the historical proof of Defeat in Vietnam. People who argue Victory are out to lunch. There's a reason why Afghanistan was called the Soviet Unions' Vietnam and it wasn't because the Soviet Union Won.

[GreenTiger]

ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

desertdude desertdude:

neither was Vietnam (a victory)

Vietnam was, indeed, a victory. Perhaps not in the way some would view it, but never the less, that is exactly what it was.

If you think that North Vietnam was the enemy in that war then, no, it was not a victory.

Think about it.

Vietnam was a hot battle in the Cold war........Communism was the enemy.......We won....Ronnie boy lead the way. God knows we could used him now.

No I would like see another Theodore Roosevelt. Walk softly and carry a big stick.

[ManifestDestiny]

GreenTiger GreenTiger:

No I would like see another Theodore Roosevelt. Walk softly and carry a big stick.

A little gun boat diplomacy works great!