[Zipperfish]

ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:

So what would you propose censorship?

Never. I would propose that you quit whining about the "left-wing MSM" because it's a crock.

$1:

they went WAAAAYY out of bounds this was Goebbels like. Brietbart wanted to show that there are racist people in NAACP ie. those people who were clapping when she was telling the part of the story that she at frist did not want to help the White farmer.

Again, you show an inability to distance yourself from your rabid partisan viewpoint. When right-wing media act unethically, you support it; when left-wing media do, you condemn it.

$1:

I think the JournoList scandle show that the media is left wing.

The question is, would you feel the same way if you were as far left as you are right?

[andyt]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

I can't think of who the media portrays in a positive light. Theiir job is uncovering dirt. Usually, if you're in the paper, it's not good.

Their primary job is making money.

But it's good that that involves uncovering dirt. They may have their biases, they may not always be fair, but thank God we've got em. Same with the wikileaks guy - the alternative doesn't look too good to me.

And Brock, when the whole media is reporting the same things on an event (G20) ranging the spectrum from left to right, maybe it's not a bid conspiracy but holds some truth. Maybe you expect some hands off treatment for the military and police. I'm glad that doesn't happen.

[EyeBrock]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I stopped listening to MD moons ago. He just likes to shit-stir.

I don't see our media as avowedly left-wing.

I do wonder why the Globe/CTV/CBC/Star all used the Rideau Institute to 'report' on the F35 purchase. A so called 'think tank' that is totally far left.

I also wondered why the same media crews went out of their way to show Toronto police in a bad light over the G20, choosing radical demonstrators over police sources to report the issues, something I have first hand knowledge of.

I continue wonder why the same media crowd rushed to accuse the yanks of killing the four CF soldiers when it clearly wasn't the case. Did they even think of contacting the DND, the Regiment or the families of our killed soldiers to see if there was any truth to this BS before they printed or broadcast it?

Whether they are ‘left wing’ or ‘right wing’ there seems to be a consistent theme with our media.

They are continually searching, printing and broadcasting stories that show the Canadian Forces, the Canadian police and the Dept of National Defence in a bad light.

They also seem to have zero quality control on what they report. They are often very wrong and biased and I am at a loss to figure out why they seem to be on this anti-police/CF/DnD rant.

Any ideas Zip?

My ideas? Freedom of the press should rule over all other factors (excepting that they cannot promote hatred against identifiable groups, explicitly call for the violent overthrow of the government, or libel).

Myself, I don't watch TV news. It peddles fear.

I can't think of who the media portrays in a positive light. Theiir job is uncovering dirt. Usually, if you're in the paper, it's not good.

I agree with press freedom but who is holding the media accountable? The public certainly isn't. They are swallowing this stuff whole and that includes a lot of posters on CKA.

The media bay at the door of everyone screaming for blood but they can get away with half-truths and downright lies.

Some of this recent stuff just isn't sitting well with me. I encourage everybody to question what they see and read as something is wrong with our bloody media.

[Zipperfish]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I agree with press freedom but who is holding the media accountable? The public certainly isn't. They are swallowing this stuff whole and that includes a lot of posters on CKA.

The media bay at the door of everyone screaming for blood but they can get away with half-truths and downright lies.

Some of this recent stuff just isn't sitting well with me. I encourage everybody to question what they see and read as something is wrong with our bloody media.

Let's look at it from both angles. The police--and indeed every government and large corporate organization these days--have a huge communications group whose sole job it is to spin the message. With the tripe that these communications specialists put out, is it any wonder there's cynicism from the journalists invovled?

Twenty years ago, you--as a cop--would have spoken to the media about an incident you were involved in. Now--and correct me if I'm wrong--you have to call in the media relations folks and can't say a word to the media unless you're given a script from which you must not deviate.

My opinion of the police hasn't changed at all following G20. I don't know if it's the media's fault, but people seem to have forgotten that force--violent force--is an integral and necessary part of police work. Did they really expect some sort of santized "handing out tickets" affair when dealing with masked and likely armed protestors?

[EyeBrock]

Its kind of the other way around really. 20 years ago nobody would have spoke to the media.

The Campbell report into the Bernardo case changed all that. Now, and up until very recently, we worked closely with the media.

It's always been a double edged sword but the media usually get the info first. Basically the feeling is that if the media are not given the right info and quickly, they will either make it up or interfere with the investigation.

Nowadays everybody is encouraged to talk with the media and give them the access they want. That's why there was great surprise and disappointment at the biased reporting at the G20.

[ManifestDestiny]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

The question is, would you feel the same way if you were as far left as you are right?

No its not the question, the topic is about left leaning liberals trying to control the media, and they got caught. Your trying to change the topic by using hear say and inuendo

[QBC]

http://www.webpan.com/dsinclair/myths.html

Read the second part....The Myth of the Liberal media...a wee bit dated, but....

[ManifestDestiny]

thats kinda old Snow and Russert are dead.

[BartSimpson]

The issue here is that we've got reporters who run around with a cloak of 'objectivity' being anything but objective. FOX News is, bluntly, providing a measure of intellectual balance by being biased in another direction and, at least, they are pretty honest about it.

In the sum of the discussion here it should be assumed that journalistic objectivity is a thing of the past, that is, if it ever existed at all.

[KorbenDeck]

Wait... the media had prestige?

[Zipperfish]

ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

The question is, would you feel the same way if you were as far left as you are right?

No its not the question, the topic is about left leaning liberals trying to control the media, and they got caught. Your trying to change the topic by using hear say and inuendo

I disagree. Are left-leaning liberals trying to control the media? Undoubtedly. We're in agreement on that. Just like right-leaning conservatives are trying to control the media.

Trying and doing are two different animals.

[Zipperfish]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

The issue here is that we've got reporters who run around with a cloak of 'objectivity' being anything but objective. FOX News is, bluntly, providing a measure of intellectual balance by being biased in another direction and, at least, they are pretty honest about it.

How is FOX honest about it? Their slogan is "Fair and Balanced."

$1:

In the sum of the discussion here it should be assumed that journalistic objectivity is a thing of the past, that is, if it ever existed at all.

Agreed!

[sandorski]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:

How funny is it when everyone crys about Fox news and the vast right wing conspiracy. Truth be told the main stream media is no longer doing its job they are a pack of liars and left wing nut jobs.

So the far right keeps saying.

We have two major national newspapers in Canada. One is avowedly right-wing, the other maybe a tad left of centre. The top tenm radio "news" programs are virtually all far right demagogues, and the top-rated cable news network in North America is also shamelessly partisan on the right.

Fine--that's the free market and all that. But it's a bit much to then have people come and whine about how there's just not enough Glenn Beck ahnd Rush Limbaugh and Mark Steyn out there. That we need more Ann Coulter and Tucker Carlsons and Michelle Malkins adn Sarah Palins.

Did jounalist veer out of bounds? Perhaps. But then there's Breitbart's infamous editing of the Sherrod video.


Your perception that the media are left-wing is simply because you are not wise enough to account for the fact that your own preconceptions adn biases colour your view.

I stopped listening to MD moons ago. He just likes to shit-stir.

I don't see our media as avowedly left-wing.

I do wonder why the Globe/CTV/CBC/Star all used the Rideau Institute to 'report' on the F35 purchase. A so called 'think tank' that is totally far left.

I also wondered why the same media crews went out of their way to show Toronto police in a bad light over the G20, choosing radical demonstrators over police sources to report the issues, something I have first hand knowledge of.

I continue wonder why the same media crowd rushed to accuse the yanks of killing the four CF soldiers when it clearly wasn't the case. Did they even think of contacting the DND, the Regiment or the families of our killed soldiers to see if there was any truth to this BS before they printed or broadcast it?

Whether they are ‘left wing’ or ‘right wing’ there seems to be a consistent theme with our media.

They are continually searching, printing and broadcasting stories that show the Canadian Forces, the Canadian police and the Dept of National Defence in a bad light.

They also seem to have zero quality control on what they report. They are often very wrong and biased and I am at a loss to figure out why they seem to be on this anti-police/CF/DnD rant.

Any ideas Zip?

There's nothing wrong with that. Just as long as they're Identified as such and are not the exclusive Voice regarding the Issue.

[EyeBrock]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

The issue here is that we've got reporters who run around with a cloak of 'objectivity' being anything but objective. FOX News is, bluntly, providing a measure of intellectual balance by being biased in another direction and, at least, they are pretty honest about it.

In the sum of the discussion here it should be assumed that journalistic objectivity is a thing of the past, that is, if it ever existed at all.

I totally agree. Fox presents with an 'in your face' kinda bias/alternate viewpoint. We all know they lean right.

It doesn't pretend objectivity like CBC and CTV.
Really, I'm very surprised and disappointed with the reporting I've seen lately.

Just piss poor, biased, agenda ridden partisan viewpoints, masquerading as the news.

[sandorski]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

The issue here is that we've got reporters who run around with a cloak of 'objectivity' being anything but objective. FOX News is, bluntly, providing a measure of intellectual balance by being biased in another direction and, at least, they are pretty honest about it.

In the sum of the discussion here it should be assumed that journalistic objectivity is a thing of the past, that is, if it ever existed at all.

I totally agree. Fox presents with an 'in your face' kinda bias/alternate viewpoint. We all know they lean right.

It doesn't pretend objectivity like CBC and CTV.
Really, I'm very surprised and disappointed with the reporting I've seen lately.

Just piss poor, biased, agenda ridden partisan viewpoints, masquerading as the news.

Negative. It's not "pretend", it's Attempt.