[DerbyX]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Adultery destroys whole families, in some cases 2 families. Its repercussions are often dire and lasting both on the cheated spouse and on any children. In some ways it is more appropriate that this be against the law as opposed to say something like bigamy which is often quite the opposite.

That is not to say either should be against the law but if we can make laws about social choices like marriage, age of consent, drug use, prostitution, and any other law designed to "protect" society then so can they.

So then you're defending their point of view that adultery is a serious offense?

Nope. I'm saying its not a victimless crime or rather a victimless act. The law can easily make it a crime as it once was in our society. I'm also saying that if we can make laws against the social choice of bigamy why can't another society make one against adultery.

[BartSimpson]

DerbyX DerbyX:

I dare say crippling a person so he is stigmatized for life and unable to ever support himself just defines compassion.

I doubt Iran would be receiving any less harsh words if it had been the guys second conviction. The same type of mentality that does things like this also stones women and shoots protesters. Such acts go hand in hand and when justice becomes brutal it always always spills onto the civilian populations as the system begins to lump both in the same pile. After all we are all guilty of something.

Some of us are guilty of allowing innocent people to be victimized by repeat offenders in the name of compassion.

[DerbyX]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DerbyX DerbyX:

I dare say crippling a person so he is stigmatized for life and unable to ever support himself just defines compassion.

I doubt Iran would be receiving any less harsh words if it had been the guys second conviction. The same type of mentality that does things like this also stones women and shoots protesters. Such acts go hand in hand and when justice becomes brutal it always always spills onto the civilian populations as the system begins to lump both in the same pile. After all we are all guilty of something.

Some of us are guilty of allowing innocent people to be victimized by repeat offenders in the name of compassion.

Rehabilitation and giving people second chances aren't wrong. You might as well invoke the death penalty for even minor crimes so they won't repeat offend. Justice worthy of so many wonderful regimes around the world.

Tell you what.

If I allow you to decide what is legal and what isn't then you allow me to decide what the punishment is.

If I allow you to decide what is suitable punishment then I get to decide what is legal and what isn't.

Either way I like my chances of getting the society I want.

[BartSimpson]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Rehabilitation and giving people second chances aren't wrong.

I totally agree. But where do you draw the line? Third offense? Thirtieth offense? Eightieth offense? The Iranians draw the line at the 100th offense and at least they draw a line.

DerbyX DerbyX:

You might as well invoke the death penalty for even minor crimes so they won't repeat offend.

Invoking the death penalty for certain crimes to insure no chance of reoffense makes sense to me. Child molesters would be #1 on my 'to do' list if that were up to me.

DerbyX DerbyX:

Justice worthy of so many wonderful regimes around the world.

Tell you what.

If I allow you to decide what is legal and what isn't then you allow me to decide what the punishment is.

If I allow you to decide what is suitable punishment then I get to decide what is legal and what isn't.

Either way I like my chances of getting the society I want.

I'll play.

I say we give child molesters the death penalty.

Do you then intend to legalize child molesting so no one gets executed by me?

[DerbyX]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I totally agree. But where do you draw the line? Third offense? Thirtieth offense? Eightieth offense? The Iranians draw the line at the 100th offense and at least they draw a line.

We draw the line too. We draw it at inhumane punishment even for habitual violaters. Just as you feel stoning is too harsh a punishment so to is cutting hands off. They drew the line in this particular instance at 100 offences (which is no guarantee they are legit convictions) but I'm quite certain they haven't in the past.

Of course if you want to play that game then Iran is actually being a fair minded country in terms of justice.

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Invoking the death penalty for certain crimes to insure no chance of reoffense makes sense to me. Child molesters would be #1 on my 'to do' list if that were up to me.

The trouble is it never stops there. People think it works so well they begin to target all repeat offenders for lesser and lesser crimes. They figure they will eliminate all crime with a 1 strike and you are out rule.

Repressive regimes have brutal justice systems. Enlightened & peaceful countries have ones that focus on rehabilitation even if many times their legal system is decried as lacking justice.

You never ever get totalitarian states and repressive regimes with a lenient criminal system and you never find enlightened and peaceful countries with a brutal and repressive legal system. Why do you think that is?

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I'll play.

I say we give child molesters the death penalty.

Do you then intend to legalize child molesting so no one gets executed by me?

Sure as long as you can prove involuntary acts are being committed. I'll also lower the age of consent to whenever anybody wants for sex, alcohol, and drugs in order to reflect a society with personal choice.

I'll make all guns illegal although you'll promptly assess a penalty of 1 hail mary.

Realistically you'll find the more brutal you get the more laws I'll simply erase.

[PENATRATOR]

Makes it hard also for them to pull an AK47 trigger or self detonate a suicide vest also, so rah rah to the Iranian system, 5 less terrorists to worry about!!

[Choban]

bootlegga bootlegga:

Choban Choban:

While I can agree with this sort of punnishment for say a habitual offender, I wonder how many would advocate it for say someones 10 year old lifting a candy bar or such.

$1:

He said the amputation verdict is usually performed on a thief who has committed more than 100 instances of theft. It serves as a deterrent to others, he said.

And I'm supposed to believe what an Iranian official says????
Did you also know that it's not considered a crime if the victim isn't muslim?

[EyeBrock]

The brutality of the Iranian government on display.

If you look at the corruption that is now endemic in Iran, this is just window dressing. Chopping hands off petty thieves while the generals of the Republican Guard amass fortunes, stolen from the people of Iran.

This is just a brutal, corrupt and oppressive regime. It's reminiscent of Nazi Germany.

I feel sorry for the Iranian people. They had the Shah and now this pile of shite.

[BartSimpson]

Choban Choban:

Did you also know that it's not considered a crime if the victim isn't muslim?

It is considered a crime. It's just that to prosecute the crime the non-Muslim victim is required to have five eyewitnesses who are Muslim men of good reputation and who are willing to testify against a fellow Muslim.

Good luck with seeing that happen.

[kenmore]

Gee they should have been in JC Penny in NYC.. There were a few Muslim women doing some heavy duty shop lifting ... ouch! watch the hands will ya!

[2Cdo]

DerbyX DerbyX:

I'll make all guns illegal although you'll promptly assess a penalty of 1 hail mary.

Realistically you'll find the more brutal you get the more laws I'll simply erase.

Here's hoping you are never in charge of our laws. Keep erasing laws would make for some fun country. Good thing I'm already armed!

[DerbyX]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

DerbyX DerbyX:

I'll make all guns illegal although you'll promptly assess a penalty of 1 hail mary.

Realistically you'll find the more brutal you get the more laws I'll simply erase.

Here's hoping you are never in charge of our laws. Keep erasing laws would make for some fun country. Good thing I'm already armed!

The same goes for a society with brutal and unjust punishment. Forget the big felonies. If the idea of a punishment is that its so bad nobody will ever commit the crime (an idea that has been shown time and time again to fail) then it should be applied equally.

Speeding? That will be a $1000 fine for every 5 KMs over. Speeding in a school zone? Car gets confiscated. Littering? You'll spend the next 6 months picking up garbage every weekend. Drunk & disorderly? Force fed anti-booze medication so you'll puke if you touch alcohol and you'll be on it for a year.

The bitch of this is you guys know I'm right about the whole brutal justice - brutal regime and enlightened - lenient angle.

[BartSimpson]

DerbyX DerbyX:

[The same goes for a society with brutal and unjust punishment. Forget the big felonies. If the idea of a punishment is that its so bad nobody will ever commit the crime (an idea that has been shown time and time again to fail) then it should be applied equally.

Speeding? That will be a $1000 fine for every 5 KMs over. Speeding in a school zone? Car gets confiscated. Littering? You'll spend the next 6 months picking up garbage every weekend. Drunk & disorderly? Force fed anti-booze medication so you'll puke if you touch alcohol and you'll be on it for a year.

The bitch of this is you guys know I'm right about the whole brutal justice - brutal regime and enlightened - lenient angle.

The problem is we have the 'enlightened' regimes where it's not a question of brutal justice, it's a question of where's the justice at all?

I hear plenty of enlightened people talk about how the death penalty is wrong and how people having guns in their homes is wrong but where are they when we're talking about mass murderers and violent home invaders? It seems that in the name of all this 'enlightened' justice decent people are supposed to just take it up the wazoo from criminals.
Incessant terrorism from the brigands in our society is NOT acceptable and it is NOT acceptable that these people should constantly receive a mercy that they'll never give to their victims.

[DerbyX]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

The problem is we have the 'enlightened' regimes where it's not a question of brutal justice, it's a question of where's the justice at all?

The obvious fallacy of this is that everybody has their own version of justice. Where is the justice in letting failing company CEOs get millions in tax payer funded bonuses? Where is the justice in not jailing every BP exec? How about this? Where is the justice in Iraq? Your country deserve dire punishment. I'm betting you don't feel the same.

Justice is very subjective.

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I hear plenty of enlightened people talk about how the death penalty is wrong and how people having guns in their homes is wrong but where are they when we're talking about mass murderers and violent home invaders? It seems that in the name of all this 'enlightened' justice decent people are supposed to just take it up the wazoo from criminals.

Nope. Aside from the fact you are making a strawman argument you seem to think unless we allow you to execute criminals in the back alley with a 45 to the head we think you should have to accept criminal acts.

The type of justice you propose always ends in innocent people being executed. Always.

Some of us don't think private citizens should be allowed to chase down petty thieves and enforce their own justice. That didn't work out so well many years back especially down south when people thought justice was served by hanging black people.

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Incessant terrorism from the brigands in our society is NOT acceptable and it is NOT acceptable that these people should constantly receive a mercy that they'll never give to their victims.

Can I list the things your military has done I find terrorism and not acceptable?

You keep equating mercy and rehabilitation with "go ahead and steal and rape". Quite frankly I'll take Canada's system with all its faults. You have 3 strikes and you are out. You have many more armed citizens then us. You have a harsh penal system and yet you probably rarely leave your house without carrying a gun. You have personally said you ran out gun in hand to confront skin heads.

I leave my car door unlocked most of time. I'll take the liberal justice system thank you very much.

[kenmore]

Iran,Iraq,Pakistan and every other stan in the middle east are archaic. 1000 yrs behind the rest of the world. They are run by over zealous fundamentalist religious barbarians. Keep it over there! The Canadian justicee system isn't perfect but I would take it over shit like that any day.