[Brenda]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I generally do not weigh in on Roman Catholic Church matters but the fact of the matter is that they have the right to run their church as they see fit so long as it has no effect on non-Catholics and so long as it does not violate the applicable laws of the various countries in which they operate.

Which means you also have no problem with Sharia law, or with sentencing circles?

[BartSimpson]

Brenda Brenda:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I generally do not weigh in on Roman Catholic Church matters but the fact of the matter is that they have the right to run their church as they see fit so long as it has no effect on non-Catholics and so long as it does not violate the applicable laws of the various countries in which they operate.

Which means you also have no problem with Sharia law, or with sentencing circles?

Only as Sharia Law is applied to Islamic clergy and to Muslims so far as their membership in Islam is concerned. Meaning that the only serious sentence I would accept from a Sharia court against any Muslim would be excommunication, same as with the RCC.

Islam has no business in civil and family matters at a legal level than does the RCC and they should leave that to the proper authorities. That or do you think that the Roman Catholic Church should be allowed the same rights and privileges as Islam in nations that allow Sharia courts?

[Brenda]

I think state and church should be separated at all times. I think the law of the land should apply in all cases, whether it is a religious organization that commits the crime or any other organization.
No organizations should have "laws" other than the law of the country. Pedophilia is a crime in most countries, and should be treated like that. "Honor killings" are murder, regardless of religion, and should be treated as such. Abandoning toddlers is -20 snowy weather when you are drunk is child neglect causing death, and should be treated as such, regardless of your background or the place where you live (reserve) in this country.

[hurley_108]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Only as Sharia Law is applied to Islamic clergy and to Muslims so far as their membership in Islam is concerned. Meaning that the only serious sentence I would accept from a Sharia court against any Muslim would be excommunication, same as with the RCC.

Islam has no business in civil and family matters at a legal level than does the RCC and they should leave that to the proper authorities.

Over here, I agree with you.

[hurley_108]

Brenda Brenda:

Abandoning toddlers is -20 snowy weather when you are drunk is child neglect causing death, and should be treated as such, regardless of your background or the place where you live (reserve) in this country.

And you. That was just ridiculous.

[Brenda]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Only as Sharia Law is applied to Islamic clergy and to Muslims so far as their membership in Islam is concerned. Meaning that the only serious sentence I would accept from a Sharia court against any Muslim would be excommunication, same as with the RCC.

Islam has no business in civil and family matters at a legal level than does the RCC and they should leave that to the proper authorities.

Over here, I agree with you.

So do I, btw.

[BartSimpson]

Brenda Brenda:

I think state and church should be separated at all times. I think the law of the land should apply in all cases, whether it is a religious organization that commits the crime or any other organization.
No organizations should have "laws" other than the law of the country. Pedophilia is a crime in most countries, and should be treated like that. "Honor killings" are murder, regardless of religion, and should be treated as such. Abandoning toddlers is -20 snowy weather when you are drunk is child neglect causing death, and should be treated as such, regardless of your background or the place where you live (reserve) in this country.

I agree and that's what I said.

[BartSimpson]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Only as Sharia Law is applied to Islamic clergy and to Muslims so far as their membership in Islam is concerned. Meaning that the only serious sentence I would accept from a Sharia court against any Muslim would be excommunication, same as with the RCC.

Islam has no business in civil and family matters at a legal level than does the RCC and they should leave that to the proper authorities.

Over here, I agree with you.

Thanks.

[xerxes]

I actually have to applaud the RCC for their staggering chutzpah. Only to the Vatican would ordaining women be the equivalent of raping and torturing young children.

It's. Nice to see them trying to keep up with the Taliban.

[kenmore]

GreenTiger GreenTiger:

Having Women and married Clergy is the best way way to fight the surch sex abuse.

Not quite true there... if a guy or female is a didler or pedophile they are ... married or not. Being married does not reduce sex abuse. There as many married pedophiles than single. There are children abused in every religous denomination and sect. From Jehova's Witness to Anglicans, to Methodists. Marital status is not a factor.

[BartSimpson]

xerxes xerxes:

I actually have to applaud the RCC for their staggering chutzpah. Only to the Vatican would ordaining women be the equivalent of raping and torturing young children.

It's. Nice to see them trying to keep up with the Taliban.

There's no comparison. The RCC ordains only unmarried men because of something the Apostle Paul once said. And the RCC is not trying to impose their will on anyone else.

The Apostle Paul was the only male in the Bible noted for being unmarried at a time when an unmarried man was a pretty scandalous thing to behold. He was practically announcing to the Jewish world of the time that he was gay. That said, the RCC adoption of requiring leaders to be unmarried and (supposedly) celibate is apostate and heretical from the First Century church. Pope Peter was married, as an example of this.

The fact that Paul's being unmarried was so spectacular in the context of the time and the fact that any other Apostle being married was such a given as to be considered not worth mentioning is why I am one of those people who believes this is evidence that Jesus was married. If Jesus was not married it would have rated a mention at the time.

Also, Jesus spoke to the Sanhedrin and only a married man could've done so.

[Brenda]

Isn't it time the RCC came into the real world of 2010? Where gay people are accepted, and where people have children out of wedlock? Even gay people?

[HyperionTheEvil]

Once again religion makes something that should have been straightforward - a clear cut policy on Child Abuse by priests- and manages to screw up it with mythical mumbo-jumbo because apparently the Giant Space-Daddy in the sky said somewhere that because a human being has a vagina they can't be a priest

Why they would want to bother is another issue altogether