[digerdick]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

diggerdick diggerdick:

Its seems the public is content with mediocre police work from the rcmp........ their is always enough of them on here trying to justify it.........Anyone who does questions their actions are labeled cop haters or on drugs by the lackey cheerleaders

Yea but you do hate the cops.

Did I just hear a toilet FLUSH

[EyeBrock]

Did you have a poo little digger?

Congrats.

[digerdick]

only the rcmp are going down the toilet because people like you have your head in it............... another day, another bad rcmp headline

[Benn]

RCMP are having a tough time recently no doubt. Lots has to do with RCMP misconduct being a media baby since a few officers felt a stapler was a deadly weapon but I question how much problems and misconduct have risen compared to how much reporting has just gone up. Maybe things are no worse that 30 years ago, in which case they are not going downhill.

They problem they and other Police Services in the country are faced with is sky rocketing attrition at the same time as budget freezes don't allow them to hire more. There is also this backwards logic that crime is down so we need less cops, I think I read a story out of Toronto where a councilor was making this argument less he stop to think there is less crime BECAUSE of the number of officer they have. RCMP did well to get lots of money for mass recruiting. They dropped regular standards to rush into a recruitment process which is bogged down in most provinces now do to poor strategy trying to rush in 2000 new officers a year since around 2006, this has now ground to a halt and they are still short heads on the ground. The question is was dropping standards to get in more guys in the right choice? Is the experience void left by retired senior officers the reason for problems? Hard to say, I mean most of those officers hired would have still met the more stringent qualifications which are actually only used for Ontario and Capital region recruits now, not the rest of the country, for example recruits in A and O division need over 80% on the exam to continue in the process which takes them 2 years to get on while the rest of the country only needs 65% and it only takes them 10 months to get on.

Numbers quoted to me by an RCMP recruiter in Ottawa were that in the next few years more than half the Mounties in Alberta for example will have less than 5 years experience on the job. It's simple math to see how much experience has been lost. Meanwhile the RCMP HQ staff can't find enough buildings to house its massive compliment of carpet cops who are resented by many front line officers for whom overtime is such the norm its considered regular time. Maybe a few hundred of the carpet cops should be sent out to God's country and BC to help balance things out.

Is this the reason for problems? It could be but I don't know, I don't know if there are more problems now than before or not.

[RUEZ]

diggerdick diggerdick:

only the rcmp are going down the toilet because people like you have your head in it............... another day, another bad rcmp headline

The RCMP are far from going down the toilet.

[Benn]

diggerdick diggerdick:

only the rcmp are going down the toilet because people like you have your head in it............... another day, another bad rcmp headline

A note on headlines as well; Some services, like Ottawa, have a full disclosure policy anytime an officer is charged with something or up on major disciplinary action. Other services only disclose when the issue leaks out and are asked. Not knowing this could lead someone to think the Ottawa Police are horribly full of bad apples compared to some cities, when in fact its not true. I remember when I moved out here commenting about how many OPS officer run into trouble compare to where I last lived, then I heard about the disclosure policy.

I'm not sure if the RCMP had a proactive disclosure policy but the media does this job well for them, also keep in mind the RCMP is 10 times larger than most muni services so if you hear 10 times more bad stories about them they are not really worse than any other service are they?

[Benn]

RUEZ RUEZ:

diggerdick diggerdick:

only the rcmp are going down the toilet because people like you have your head in it............... another day, another bad rcmp headline

The RCMP are far from going down the toilet.

Not his fault really, inhailed too much riot control gas leading black bloc riots, so really its the cops fault.

[digerdick]

Benn Benn:

RUEZ RUEZ:

diggerdick diggerdick:

only the rcmp are going down the toilet because people like you have your head in it............... another day, another bad rcmp headline

The RCMP are far from going down the toilet.

Not his fault really, inhailed too much riot control gas leading black bloc riots, so really its the cops fault.

good try..... but the joke is really on the people of Canada....

[jeff744]

diggerdick diggerdick:

good try..... but the joke is really on the people of Canada....

And how we created a police force that has a fraction the problems other police forces in the world have (including every US one due to their jurisdiction limits caused by having multiple investigation/police forces where we have one) and is normally able to quickly reply to nearly any problem?

[Dayseed]

andyt andyt:

Well shit, I wasn't going to get into it again, this isn't really on my radar. But, from an ex RCMP:

$1:

"It has been a banquet of mistakes, of laziness, of unprofessional conduct — and two lives are in the balance here," said Bill Pitt, an Edmonton-based criminologist, law enforcement instructor and former Mountie.

"I think just about every protocol I'm aware of as far as investigation is concerned has been missed, sloughed off or tried to be explained in some ridiculous fashion.

"It's a blown investigation from beginning to end. Completely blown."

$1:

Pitt worked for the RCMP in the Maritimes before moving to the classroom. He has trained a thousand police recruits in Texas and Montana, taught criminal investigative procedures for local and state police in the United States, and worked with such bodies as the FBI, the Drug Enforcement Agency and the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms. He now teaches at Edmonton's Grant MacEwan University.

$1:

The signs were there, he said: an expensive motorhome torched in the bush with a hitch but no vehicle behind it, owned by a law-abiding elderly couple that now couldn't be located.

"There was no instinctive reaction by police officers," said Pitt.

"The whole forensics of that crime scene were adulterated, ignored or sloughed off as just another burnt vehicle down that road.

"Nothing fit from the get-go. And to wait five days for the formal process of a missing persons form to cross your desk before you do anything is a disgrace."

[url]http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/100716/national/alta_missing_couple
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I wasn't going to comment either, other than to say you haven't really tried to defend your foul-up over Ian Bush on that other thread.

And I thought you had quoted "Brad" Pitt before I re-read it as Bill Pitt. Man, I had a brief second in my head where I thought I had another field-day ahead of me!

[Dayseed]

Where I'm not exactly understanding Bill "Don't Call Me Brad" Pitt is when he says there's a burnt motorhome with no car attached....doesn't that suggest the motorhome caught fire and they drove the car away?

[DerbyX]

Brad Pitt starring as Dayseed in "RCMP club".

First rule: Don't talk about RCMP club.
Second rule: Every Tuesdays we serve tea & cucumber sandwiches.

[andyt]

Dayseed Dayseed:

Where I'm not exactly understanding Bill "Don't Call Me Brad" Pitt is when he says there's a burnt motorhome with no car attached....doesn't that suggest the motorhome caught fire and they drove the car away?

The SUV was driven away. The question is were the couple driving it, or somebody who did them harm and burnt up the motor home to hide evidence. If the couple is driving the car, it's very strange that they haven't contacted anybody, since they were meant to meet their daughter 5 days after the motor home was found. It's not looking good.

Of course they could have just driven off the road somewhere in the SUV.

[andyt]

Dayseed Dayseed:

I wasn't going to comment either, other than to say you haven't really tried to defend your foul-up over Ian Bush on that other thread.

No foul up. The investigation, as seems to be the case so often, was much different than if the shooter was a civilian. Giving a suspect a written list of questions before he is to be interviewed doesn't sound like good police procedure to me. Neither does waiting 30 days to talk to the suspect. Other botch ups were also highlighted in the links I gave. Sounds like sop for the RCMP - the Dziekanski cowboys were put in a room to get their stories straight before being interviewed. Looks like totally different procedures for citizens and cops when investigating a killing.

Much more likely is that Koester was on top of Bush, pistol whipping him when his gun accidentally discharged. That's not murder, but warrants a manslaughter investigation.

If cops would quit circling the squad cars when one of them fucks up, they wouldn't have to ask, in that hurt tone of voice, why people give the so much grief and don't trust them. I"m willing to cut cops all kinds of slack - it's a tough job requiring split second life or death judgments at times. But slack doesn't mean no rope at all - the investigation of cop killings should be just as tough as a civilian killing,

[EyeBrock]

And the amateur armchair detectives are on the case.

Andy, if you think you can do a much better job of public order and on missing persons investigations, get out of your basement and join the cops.

You have so much expertise in these areas where the cops are obviously lacking. You would be doing a public service for the whole of Canada.