[putz]

Bodah Bodah:

The Americans would hand him over in a second if we asked for him back. The good thing or bad thing depending on how you look at it is that the Conservatives are not asking for him back.

If Chretien was in power he would of been back a long time ago considering his past history of bailing out Khadr family members in the past.

If Chretien wouldn't of fought to bring back the patriarch of the family more than likely little Omar Khadr wouldn't of taken a family vacation with pops to a warzone to kill Americans which has resulted in the position that Omar Khadr finds himself today.

You know this for sure. Sure that the American's wouldn't just tell us to go get bent he killed an American service member.

[Zipperfish]

SprCForr SprCForr:

Rightwing reactionary? Hardly.

present company excepted.

[Zipperfish]

Thanos Thanos:

It's not fear to plainly state that a lot if not most) of us don't want people like this in our country, period. If he were an Irish Catholic who had gone back to Ulster to shoot RC cops, or a Serbian who had gone to Bosnia to snipe at Croats or Bosniaks, I'd feel exactly the same. He fought, even if not under a recognizable uniform, for a foreign entity that had been internationally declared (years prior to 9/11 BTW) as terrorists. So fuck him. People like that don't deserve the cover of the Canadian flag as an omnibus get-out-of-jail-free card that they can cash in anytime they get in trouble for their criminal or terrorist activities overseas. It's the lowest definition of Canadian citizenship that anyone would even behave that way in other countries can then expect an entire government apparatus to come rushing to their rescue when they finally get caught.

And deport his entire sickening family too. The orignal interview, that CBC's now buried or destroyed altogether in order to fufill their own political agenda, showed clearly what the Khadrs believe in and what they did overseas as willing members of an completely unjustifiable terrorist plot against practically the entire world. The longer these scum get to claim Canadian citizenship just heaps that much more dishonour on all of us. You included, Zippy.

Khadr's got fuck all to do with it. The neo-cons would just love to have little Abu Ghraib's set up all over the world where they could fly any suspicious person for a nice holiday wearing panties on their heads, being attacked by Rottweilers, and waterboarding galore. No judge, no jury, no appeal.

I didn't say anything about a "get out of jail free" card, so please don't misprepresent my argument. I'm saying that you shouldn't give your government power to arbitrarily torture kids. The differnce isn't exactly subtle.

For all their vain, mewling anti-government rhetoric, they can't wait to give the government arbitrary power to detain indefinitely and torture. I'm not willing to give that kind of power to any government.

[Zipperfish]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Funny, Khadr has been incarcerated since 2002. Hell, he wasn't even formally charged until 2005!! Where were your precious, liberty loving Liberals then?? Didn't exactly see a whole lot of effort on their part to bring him back to Canada either. What's even funnier is, as soon as Harper got in power, the Liberals suddenly decided getting Khadr back to Canada was important. So the Liberals set the precedent but somehow, it's all the Conservatives' fault. Interesting

Sheer partisan fucking hackery. "Oh the Liberals did it too." Don't you ever get tired of that line? I'm not a Liberal so your feint and dodge tactics are wasted. I just have a general rule that giving a government the power to arbitrarily and indefinitely detain and torture is inimical to the general interests of liberty.

[EyeBrock]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Oh look the right-wing reactionaries having a shit hemorrhage. Quel surprise.

Good for the court standing up for the rights of Canadian citizens. The anti-liberty right seems to want to take all our freedoms and throw them out the fucking window because they are scared of a bunch of Afghani goat-fuckers. I'm not about to grant the US government the universal right to torture kids arbitrarily because Conservatives are all a bunch of frightened little kittens.

Fucking grow a pair, you wusses.

I agree with Zip on this.

Treating Khadr any worse than any other Canadian (despite my personal feelings of abhorrence towards the whole clan) just brings the administration of justice into disrepute.

It gives the left-wing activists ammunition, creates a martyr out of an undesirable, feeds the far-right activists and is generally a bad thing.

The level of support to any Canadian, (and this piece of shit is a Canadian) should not be reliant on how much we like him/her or their cause.
The fact that he is a plastic-Canadian, who sees his citizenship as merely a passport of convenience is immaterial.

The immigration of undesirables to Canada is a separate debate. Khadr is a citizen and he should be afforded the rights and protection that entails, despite who he is and what he stands for.

[Scape]

[EyeBrock]

Thanks Scape but it's just common sense mate!

[andyt]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I agree with Zip on this.

Treating Khadr any worse than any other Canadian (despite my personal feelings of abhorrence towards the whole clan) just brings the administration of justice into disrepute.

It gives the left-wing activists ammunition, creates a martyr out of an undesirable, feeds the far-right activists and is generally a bad thing.

The level of support to any Canadian, (and this piece of shit is a Canadian) should not be reliant on how much we like him/her or their cause.
The fact that he is a plastic-Canadian, who sees his citizenship as merely a passport of convenience is immaterial.

The immigration of undesirables to Canada is a separate debate. Khadr is a citizen and he should be afforded the rights and protection that entails, despite who he is and what he stands for.

Much as I would love to disagree with this, I can't. Brock is right, and that's what we forget so easily - the Charter is there to protect the difficult cases.

On the other hand, he was in another country when he was captured, fighting US soldiers. Seems the US has a right to put him on trial and keep him, if they want.

[bootlegga]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Oh look the right-wing reactionaries having a shit hemorrhage. Quel surprise.

Good for the court standing up for the rights of Canadian citizens. The anti-liberty right seems to want to take all our freedoms and throw them out the fucking window because they are scared of a bunch of Afghani goat-fuckers. I'm not about to grant the US government the universal right to torture kids arbitrarily because Conservatives are all a bunch of frightened little kittens.

Fucking grow a pair, you wusses.

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I agree with Zip on this.

Treating Khadr any worse than any other Canadian (despite my personal feelings of abhorrence towards the whole clan) just brings the administration of justice into disrepute.

It gives the left-wing activists ammunition, creates a martyr out of an undesirable, feeds the far-right activists and is generally a bad thing.

The level of support to any Canadian, (and this piece of shit is a Canadian) should not be reliant on how much we like him/her or their cause.
The fact that he is a plastic-Canadian, who sees his citizenship as merely a passport of convenience is immaterial.

The immigration of undesirables to Canada is a separate debate. Khadr is a citizen and he should be afforded the rights and protection that entails, despite who he is and what he stands for.

I don’t care for this fucktard either, but as a Canadian, he has to be afforded his rights just like every other Canadian gets, otherwise Canadian citizenship isn’t worth shit, if it can be stripped away at a whim.

[Zipperfish]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Oh look the right-wing reactionaries having a shit hemorrhage. Quel surprise.

Good for the court standing up for the rights of Canadian citizens. The anti-liberty right seems to want to take all our freedoms and throw them out the fucking window because they are scared of a bunch of Afghani goat-fuckers. I'm not about to grant the US government the universal right to torture kids arbitrarily because Conservatives are all a bunch of frightened little kittens.

Fucking grow a pair, you wusses.

I agree with Zip on this.

Treating Khadr any worse than any other Canadian (despite my personal feelings of abhorrence towards the whole clan) just brings the administration of justice into disrepute.

It gives the left-wing activists ammunition, creates a martyr out of an undesirable, feeds the far-right activists and is generally a bad thing.

The level of support to any Canadian, (and this piece of shit is a Canadian) should not be reliant on how much we like him/her or their cause.
The fact that he is a plastic-Canadian, who sees his citizenship as merely a passport of convenience is immaterial.

The immigration of undesirables to Canada is a separate debate. Khadr is a citizen and he should be afforded the rights and protection that entails, despite who he is and what he stands for.

I might have posted something that reasonable, had I not had four pints in me! Don't drink and post!

[EyeBrock]

Lucky bastard! I wish I had four Stella's in me!

[andyt]

Now if Brock would be just as reasonable in affording the G20 protesters their rights.

[RUEZ]

andyt andyt:

Now if Brock would be just as reasonable in affording the G20 protesters their rights.

They have the right to remain silent.

[EyeBrock]

andyt andyt:

Now if Brock would be just as reasonable in affording the G20 protesters their rights.

Don't you start andy!

[Zipperfish]

andyt andyt:

Now if Brock would be just as reasonable in affording the G20 protesters their rights.

Bad form, old boy.