[Brenda]

The healthcare system that provides people with care and the development and technology should have nothing to do with eachother.

[BartSimpson]

Brenda Brenda:

The healthcare system that provides people with care and the development and technology should have nothing to do with each other.

That's absurd.

You're saying that health care providers should have no input in the development of new technologies or drugs? I beg your pardon, but I WANT healthcare providers to determine the need for those new technologies and drugs and then I want to see the tech and pharma industries work to fill those needs.

To say that they should not have anything to do with each other is to ASK for a disconnect and to ask for inefficiencies in the determination of need and then the development of solutions.

For instance, if health care providers see a growing need for new osteoporosis treatments then they should be able to communicate with the firms that are able to develop those drugs and tech.

[Brenda]

Financially? Healthcare providers should not have to worry about money. Not for the pills they prescribe, nor for the technology used.

Development of new drugs and technologies should imo be privatized business, while the healthcare provided by doctors and nurses should be government business, paid for by taxes and a bit by us, depending on our needs and wants, offered by insurance companies. But the basic care should be paid for by taxes, not by pharmaceutical companies. It is totally ridiculous that a pharmaceutical company is going to tell me what care I can get.

[BartSimpson]

Brenda Brenda:

Financially? Healthcare providers should not have to worry about money. Not for the pills they prescribe, nor for the technology used.

Development of new drugs and technologies should imo be privatized business, while the healthcare provided by doctors and nurses should be government business, paid for by taxes and a bit by us, depending on our needs and wants, offered by insurance companies. But the basic care should be paid for by taxes, not by pharmaceutical companies. It is totally ridiculous that a pharmaceutical company is going to tell me what care I can get.

Where on this planet is healthcare paid for or dictated by pharmaceutical companies?

[Zipperfish]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

The fact of the matter is as Obamacare moves forward and dismantles our health and pharmacological industry then Canada and Europe will need to invest more money in development of drugs and technology because the investment money that drives innovation in the USA will be moved to other economic sectors.

That's not so much a fact as a hypothesis. It will be interetsing to see how it turns out.

[BartSimpson]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

That's not so much a fact as a hypothesis. It will be interetsing to see how it turns out.

The first effect was that it drove up health care costs for the self-employed and unemployed who are not members of group insurance plans. So it basically made health insurance more expensive during an economic downturn so we have more uninsured people after Obamacare than we did before.

http://www.usinsuranceonline.com/news/a ... e-19850003

[Zipperfish]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

That's not so much a fact as a hypothesis. It will be interetsing to see how it turns out.

The first effect was that it drove up health care costs for the self-employed and unemployed who are not members of group insurance plans. So it basically made health insurance more expensive during an economic downturn so we have more uninsured people after Obamacare than we did before.

http://www.usinsuranceonline.com/news/a ... e-19850003

It will be intersting to see what effect it has on invention and innovation. I think it's a little early to discern its effect yet.

[BartSimpson]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

It will be intersting to see what effect it has on invention and innovation. I think it's a little early to discern its effect yet.

So it already failed on the "lowering health insurance costs" benchmark so forgive me if I'm pessimistic about investors leaving their capital in health care when government starts running it and dictating profit margins - which will start in 2014.

[bootlegga]

Proculation Proculation:

We know the best system is a mixed system public/private. But everytime someone says the word "private" the leftists go in the media and cry "LOOK AT THE USA !! YOU WANT TO HAVE THAT ???? YOU WANT YOUR NEIGHBOUR TO BE BANKRUPTED BECAUSE HIS CUTE LITTLE DAUGHTER GOT CANCER ??"

Demagoguery, yes. but it works.

Coming from the guy who likes calling most everyone and everything socialist, that's rich!

Some provinces already have already have a private/public mix of services.

I think the debate isn't really whether or not there should be any private services, it's what should be privatized. Some advocates want privatized full service hospitals, while others think only non-essential services (like dental/vision/etc) should be de-listed. The truly objectional one IMHO is full service hospitals, because they will suck resources from the public ones.

[bootlegga]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

The fact of the matter is as Obamacare moves forward and dismantles our health and pharmacological industry then Canada and Europe will need to invest more money in development of drugs and technology because the investment money that drives innovation in the USA will be moved to other economic sectors.

That's alright.

Given that there's plenty of versions of dick pills for the Boomers and most of the other recent 'inventions' by pharmaceutical companies usually have worse side effects than the disease they're curing, we'll take our chances!

[BartSimpson]

bootlegga bootlegga:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

The fact of the matter is as Obamacare moves forward and dismantles our health and pharmacological industry then Canada and Europe will need to invest more money in development of drugs and technology because the investment money that drives innovation in the USA will be moved to other economic sectors.

That's alright.

Given that there's plenty of versions of dick pills for the Boomers and most of the other recent 'inventions' by pharmaceutical companies usually have worse side effects than the disease they're curing, we'll take our chances!

Viagra was initially developed as an 'orphan drug' by Pfizer for the small number of babies born with rebound pulmonary hypertension and a noted side effect was, well, obvious. Due to various political reasons the research into the original reasons for developing the drug were put off until 2006 and the result, now, is a modified form of the drug for treating babies born with this unusual condition.

[Thanos]

Is there anyway we can remove the entire land mass of Canada from North America, paddle our way across the Atlantic, and attach ourselves to Scandanavia instead? I can only put it down as an indicator of the brain-disrupting toxicity of the stupidity that drifts up here from the US that in order to fix a health care system that's been ranked ahead to that in the United States some people think we have to become more like the United States. It's functionally identical to saying that in order to get off of a cocaine addiction one should take up shooting heroin instead. The day they let those profiteering asshole American insurance companies across the border to victimize every Canadian who isn't rich will be the exact same day that I willingly join the Black Bloc and start smashing stuff in the streets.

[Zipperfish]

Glenn Beck's novel premiered at Number One on the NY Times Bestseller List. That country is definitely going cuckoo.

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

The day they let those profiteering asshole American insurance companies across the border to victimize every Canadian who isn't rich will be the exact same day that I willingly join the Black Bloc and start smashing stuff in the streets.

Then put up or shut up.

http://www.bluecross.ca/

[BartSimpson]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Glenn Beck's novel premiered at Number One on the NY Times Bestseller List. That country is definitely going cuckoo.

No, it's just an indicator that anymore it's principally conservatives who can read.