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Martin spent because he had money(after cutting transfer payments) but it was grudgingly spent. If you were truly honest you would realise that the last Liberal leader that not only liked the military, but understood why we need one, was St. Laurent.
No, Chretien may have spent grudgingly on the military (frankly spending his entire tenure being called anti-military might have helped that position) but Martin did no such thing. Hell, we had socialist groups talking about the "alarming increase in military spending). Hell on the "wither Harper" thread I am making this very point in that many people like yourself wanted much more defence spending while Lemmy wanted much more debt reduction. Curtman said we got 50-50 and like the adage goes, compromise pleases nobody.
As for the old politicians, I think people respected them a lot more simply because they had no ability to hear about every failing, every cock-up, and every dirty little thing like we do today. Harper is curt with an old lady, everybody in Canada knows about it within a day. I don't believe they were any better as people or as politicians.
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And who's being partisan now? Methinks you have a vivid imagination, or are you privy to the "SECRET AGENDA" that the left always accuses Harper of having. Not much of a secret if everyone knows about it.
Partisan? I've made my objections to the CPC and their policies quite clear and they have made no secret of theirs. The fact is that the CPC has more then a few members (over 60%) who are anti-choice on the abortion front; at least over 50% who are what I describe anti-homosexual in that they oppose any form of SSM; and while it might be lower there remains a stubborn hard core religious element including creationists who believe in religion being part and parcel to the government.
That isn't partisan. It is a summation of why I won't vote for them. Its not a secret agenda when their members openly state those goals.
Accusing them of having a secret agenda would be making statements like "the NDP would openly post military secret data".
Chretein was known to be anti-military from his days in Trudeau's government, just following the boss's example.
I will agree that politicians today are subject to far more scrutiny, and maybe you're right. The old politicians were just as useless as todays!
As far as your numbers with regard to the CPC, if we were to allow a truly free vote in the house on Abortion or SSM I honestly don't think the Libs and Conservatives would be that far apart.
As far as the NDP go, I stand by what I said and am quite glad that the managed to get themselves removed from having any access to these documents. I will also state that I don't think any Libs would knowingly release sensitive documents, but I'm sure you have a Bernier or two in your caucus.
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