[Guy_Fawkes]

PostFactum PostFactum:

I mean that they doesn't use hospitals.

Yes they do.

[PostFactum]

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

PostFactum PostFactum:

I mean that they doesn't use hospitals.

Yes they do.

but it isn't in a good condition.

[Khar]

The article said that it "doesn't improve no matter how close their mothers live to sophisticated health-care facilities," meaning that those with cutting edge hospitals are doing no better to those with run-of-the-mill or problematic medical access.

[PostFactum]

Ok, ok, everyone of you may give me penalty here, I earned.

[CommanderSock]

The past has a bearing on the future. Some call it complaining, others call it telling the truth.

Cultural destruction usually results in broken families and very long term effects of poverty, hopelessness, and despair.

Just look at any country/culture where a group was conquered and marginalized in the long run.

Latin American Indians have besieged the elite white Spaniards with gang warfare. The long term effects of social exclusion. Of course being of Indian descent in Guatemala, Honduras, or El Salvador probably means there aren't too many good opportunities from the get go anyhow.

In the USA black Americans have had a turbulent history and the effects are still present. Many whites still don't accept them as equals. The Indians (natives) have it even worse than in Canada. Don't let a few fancy casinos fool you.

In Brazil blacks and Indians are still second class citizens and suffer higher rates of everything that is bad. White Brazilians live in gated compounds, and don't walk out at night for fear of violent death. Violent death occurs often anyhow. The Brown/Black/Indian population totals around 60% of the population of Brazil. Imagine being afraid of 60% of the population. ROFL.

In India lower castes are in the same position. They rebel. Some in remote regions have tried to break off. Some have converted from Hinduism. This is stunting India’s growth as a nation.

If you're going to build a country, and decide to exclude a large portion of the population in the nation building process, or worse still, use its labour through slavery and oppression, why the surprise when one day they rise up and cause your society damage? Or even destroy it altogether (ahem Zimbabwe).

Apartheid was the quintessential modern example of a European offshoot, a modern and wealthy but highly oppressive state being toppled through powerful organized labor movements of the indigene groups who united and said, "enough is enough". And it certainly won't be the last.

This has nothing to do with "bashing whitey". History counts. History shapes the present. History most certainly shapes the future.

Us, immigrant Canadians (yes, even you second/third generation Scottish, Irish, English etc) should count your blessings that Canada's indigenous population is 1.5 million, and not 150 million. Because if it were, I'd bet we’d all be living in compounds too!

And since there are 1.5 million, we have an excellent chance, for once, to truly shape history by actually implementing multi generational policies that will help lift the native Canadian community out of poverty in the long term. Not short term cash hand outs that do nothing to help the community in the long term. Because like most indigene communities, too much solidarity means their leaders are corrupt and will pocket what we give them and the impoverished masses will never see it.

[Guy_Fawkes]

PostFactum PostFactum:

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

PostFactum PostFactum:

I mean that they doesn't use hospitals.

Yes they do.

but it isn't in a good condition.

Lol they are, its the condtitions at home that are the issue. They use the same hospitals as everyone else, its just everyone elses babies mysteriously have a lower mortality rate. I think Shep is right, its the parents. Just last year a guy was charged after he got drunk while looking after his kids and took them for a walk in a blizzard with not much more then the diapers on their bottems. The Dad suffered some frost bite, the children were found frozen the next morning.

[PostFactum]

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

PostFactum PostFactum:

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

mean that they doesn't use hospitals.
Yes they do.

but it isn't in a good condition.

Lol they are, its the condtitions at home that are the issue. They use the same hospitals as everyone else, its just everyone elses babies mysteriously have a lower mortality rate. I think Shep is right, its the parents. Just last year a guy was charged after he got drunk while looking after his kids and took them for a walk in a blizzard with not much more then the diapers on their bottems. The Dad suffered some frost bite, the children were found frozen the next morning.

Thanks, it was headshot.

[andyt]

CommanderSock CommanderSock:

The past has a bearing on the future. Some call it complaining, others call it telling the truth.

Cultural destruction usually results in broken families and very long term effects of poverty, hopelessness, and despair.

Just look at any country/culture where a group was conquered and marginalized in the long run.

Latin American Indians have besieged the elite white Spaniards with gang warfare. The long term effects of social exclusion. Of course being of Indian descent in Guatemala, Honduras, or El Salvador probably means there aren't too many good opportunities from the get go anyhow.

In the USA black Americans have had a turbulent history and the effects are still present. Many whites still don't accept them as equals. The Indians (natives) have it even worse than in Canada. Don't let a few fancy casinos fool you.

In Brazil blacks and Indians are still second class citizens and suffer higher rates of everything that is bad. White Brazilians live in gated compounds, and don't walk out at night for fear of violent death. Violent death occurs often anyhow. The Brown/Black/Indian population totals around 60% of the population of Brazil. Imagine being afraid of 60% of the population. ROFL.

In India lower castes are in the same position. They rebel. Some in remote regions have tried to break off. Some have converted from Hinduism. This is stunting India’s growth as a nation.

If you're going to build a country, and decide to exclude a large portion of the population in the nation building process, or worse still, use its labour through slavery and oppression, why the surprise when one day they rise up and cause your society damage? Or even destroy it altogether (ahem Zimbabwe).

Apartheid was the quintessential modern example of a European offshoot, a modern and wealthy but highly oppressive state being toppled through powerful organized labor movements of the indigene groups who united and said, "enough is enough". And it certainly won't be the last.

This has nothing to do with "bashing whitey". History counts. History shapes the present. History most certainly shapes the future.

Us, immigrant Canadians (yes, even you second/third generation Scottish, Irish, English etc) should count your blessings that Canada's indigenous population is 1.5 million, and not 150 million. Because if it were, I'd bet we’d all be living in compounds too!

And since there are 1.5 million, we have an excellent chance, for once, to truly shape history by actually implementing multi generational policies that will help lift the native Canadian community out of poverty in the long term. Not short term cash hand outs that do nothing to help the community in the long term. Because like most indigene communities, too much solidarity means their leaders are corrupt and will pocket what we give them and the impoverished masses will never see it.

Good post Sock. You'd have to be nuts to ignore our history with natives. But, as you say, short term cash won't help them, just keep them dependent. Same with their refusal to integrate - while it's understandable, creating a special group of people in Canada, based on race is not a good idea, just another dead end. Natives should be given help to integrate into Canadian society, and that would mean closing a lot of the reserves because they're just not economically viable. If people insist on living there, let em do it on their own dime, and take the consequences. Treat Natives like any other Canadian, and make sure that help is there for any Canadian. Help themselves if they can, provide a reasonable life if they really can't.

[Guy_Fawkes]

They have been given too much help, thats the problem. They have become social assistance junkies, time to make em quit cold turkey.