[Lemmy]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

There's a lot going wrong in this province and the HST just means another 8% on everything.

To be fair, it's not "another 8% on everything", it's 8% on a few things that were exempt before. Most things we buy are already taxed exactly the same as they will be under the HST.

[2Cdo]

Lemmy Lemmy:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

There's a lot going wrong in this province and the HST just means another 8% on everything.

To be fair, it's not "another 8% on everything", it's 8% on a few things that were exempt before. Most things we buy are already taxed exactly the same as they will be under the HST.

Unfortunately the new HST affects things we need to survive like electricity, home heating fuel, and gas/diesel for our vehicles! It is going to be a huge grab for the province. Add in the time of use for electricity and you could see your electricity bill more than double from last year!

[Lemmy]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Unfortunately the new HST affects things we need to survive like electricity, home heating fuel, and gas/diesel for our vehicles! It is going to be a huge grab for the province. Add in the time of use for electricity and you could see your electricity bill more than double from last year!

Fuels are particularly volatile to inflation, absent government taxation, which is troubling. Electricity is a different matter altogether. Electricity pricing is criminal already. Looking at my bill from last month, I used $79 worth of electricity and I was charged $71 in delivery charges. Imagine how long the pizza-dude would be in business if delivery costs equalled the price of the 'za. And we haven't even discussed the 'debt recovery charge'. What other business is able to surcharge its customers for its own mismanagement?

But no matter how much we hate a new tax, Eyebrock was laying a massive hyperbole when he said "8% more on everything". And despite your opinion, Eyebrock's opinion and, frankly, my opinion of McGuinty, this IS every bit as much on Harper and the Feds as it is on the provincial Liberals. With Ontario and BC on board, only Alberta is left without an HST...they'll be next.

[Bruce_the_vii]

I was thinking that taxes are going up with the aging population and so we should be parsimonious, thrifty. The government should be concerned about being able to afford pensions for the worst off, which is the Gauranteed Income Supplement (GIS). It's welfare for the elderly. Brings the government pension up to $14,000 for a single person. In particular is affects widows, as women tend not to have pensions and live longer than men. But, nooooooooooooo. We are going to raise the CPP in general and more taxes.

In addition Paul Martin, who knows a thing or two about the national finances, increase the CPP contribution by something like 1/2% of the GDP. The newspaper was reporting the CPP was fixed, the program was solvent to 2075. This is unlike the American OAS which will be bankrupt. Paul Martin added an investment program to the CPP so that there was a reserve. Now this is being tampered with. Will Flaherty increase taxes as much as future payouts will require. Or will he pass along another liability to the next Prime Minister. He's going to pass, right.

[2Cdo]

Lemmy Lemmy:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Unfortunately the new HST affects things we need to survive like electricity, home heating fuel, and gas/diesel for our vehicles! It is going to be a huge grab for the province. Add in the time of use for electricity and you could see your electricity bill more than double from last year!

Fuels are particularly volatile to inflation, absent government taxation, which is troubling. Electricity is a different matter altogether. Electricity pricing is criminal already. Looking at my bill from last month, I used $79 worth of electricity and I was charged $71 in delivery charges. Imagine how long the pizza-dude would be in business if delivery costs equalled the price of the 'za. And we haven't even discussed the 'debt recovery charge'. What other business is able to surcharge its customers for its own mismanagement?

I agree with you that Ontario Hydro/Hydro One are no better than criminals in their billing methods.

$1:

But no matter how much we hate a new tax, Eyebrock was laying a massive hyperbole when he said "8% more on everything". And despite your opinion, Eyebrock's opinion and, frankly, my opinion of McGuinty, this IS every bit as much on Harper and the Feds as it is on the provincial Liberals. With Ontario and BC on board, only Alberta is left without an HST...they'll be next.

While both are guilty, McGuinty was the one who leapt at this tax, along with the billions in bribe money. It's us the taxpayer getting stuck paying more and more.

[Freakinoldguy]

kenmore kenmore:

Don't hate Dalton for the HST.. its harper's tax, the brain child of harper and flawherty. designed to do just what it is doing... hate Dalton for many reasons but not the Harper Sales Tax

If it's Harper's tax, could you explain why it was implemented in the Maritimes in 1997 under Chretiens Liberal watch?

[KorbenDeck]

The CPP was never intended to be the sole source of retirement income. If someone did not save into retirement than to bad for them but their options are live in poverty when they retire or do not retire. Harsh but as the Romans said "Life is shit, get to know this" people who have their life together should not be forced to pay out more because others wasted theirs.

Retirement is something that must be earned, it is not something that should be given out. The only people I would support getting more from the CPP is people who had 2 or more children. At lest they contributed long term to Canada's work force and thus CPP.

[Bruce_the_vii]

I button holed a young black guy in the warehouse I do pickups at the other day and tried to sell him on my own idea of a $20 a year tax for research on future resource shortages. His response is "all we ever hear and read about is tax increases". For a young worker in a blue collar job it's dismal because there is this list of problems that will require higher taxes. There's a list of problems that will require taxes, the economy will be bumpy and things will come up and the politicians will have further bright ideas. A guy like Flaherty may talk tax cuts for a while but then he gets a bright idea like the CPP is a vote getter. Politicians spend.

NDP notwithstanding when Bob Rae was Premier of Ontario he said there was "no room to raise taxes". Bob Rae gets and always has that family budgets are streched. I have letters from him that he gets the idea there are people not working in Canada and if they were back in the labour force they would generate taxes, enough taxes to cover the aging population. It's not one of my little jokes the Rae could outmanouver Flaherty on the lower taxes issue.

[Lemmy]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

kenmore kenmore:

Don't hate Dalton for the HST.. its harper's tax, the brain child of harper and flawherty. designed to do just what it is doing... hate Dalton for many reasons but not the Harper Sales Tax

If it's Harper's tax, could you explain why it was implemented in the Maritimes in 1997 under Chretiens Liberal watch?

Because it's not 1997, it's 2010. It's Harper's tax because he asked for it from Ontario and BC (and probably Alberta too). Harper's initiative isn't the HST, per se, it's to:
1. Have the tax systems the same across the country, which means bringing Ontario, B.C. and Alberta into an HST.
2. Get those 3 premiers off his ass about transfers. If he promises them some new Provincial tax revenue, maybe that'll shut them up.

[RUEZ]

Luckily, we in BC know exactly where to place the blame for the HST.

[Lemmy]

Bruce_the_vii Bruce_the_vii:

I button holed a young black guy in the warehouse I do pickups at the other day

[saturn_656]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

kenmore kenmore:

Don't hate Dalton for the HST.. its harper's tax, the brain child of harper and flawherty. designed to do just what it is doing... hate Dalton for many reasons but not the Harper Sales Tax

If it's Harper's tax, could you explain why it was implemented in the Maritimes in 1997 under Chretiens Liberal watch?

Because it's not 1997, it's 2010. It's Harper's tax because he asked for it from Ontario and BC (and probably Alberta too). Harper's initiative isn't the HST, per se, it's to:
1. Have the tax systems the same across the country, which means bringing Ontario, B.C. and Alberta into an HST.
2. Get those 3 premiers off his ass about transfers. If he promises them some new Provincial tax revenue, maybe that'll shut them up.

In order for Alberta to bring in the HST, would it not first need a PST to blend with it?

No provincial sales tax in Alberta. All they pay is the 5% GST.

Lucky ducks.

[Freakinoldguy]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

kenmore kenmore:

Don't hate Dalton for the HST.. its harper's tax, the brain child of harper and flawherty. designed to do just what it is doing... hate Dalton for many reasons but not the Harper Sales Tax

If it's Harper's tax, could you explain why it was implemented in the Maritimes in 1997 under Chretiens Liberal watch?

Because it's not 1997, it's 2010. It's Harper's tax because he asked for it from Ontario and BC (and probably Alberta too). Harper's initiative isn't the HST, per se, it's to:
1. Have the tax systems the same across the country, which means bringing Ontario, B.C. and Alberta into an HST.
2. Get those 3 premiers off his ass about transfers. If he promises them some new Provincial tax revenue, maybe that'll shut them up.

Read Kenmores statement again. He claims this tax is the brainchild of Harper and Flawherty.

It may be 2010 but it's still the same old HST and all the Conservatives are doing is implementing Paul Martins vision for screwing all Canadian equally.

The real aim of all this bullshite isn't about increasing revenue or streamlining the tax system it's about breaking up the Provincial boundries and making Canada a single tax entity with an omnipotent Government in Ottawa.

Any Province stupid enough to allow their elected officials to sell out to Ottawa for a measly billion or so dollars will get what they deserve, likely, in cut transfer payments, increased HST costs and no ability to stop it.

Just look at Nova Scotia:

$1:

Nova Scotia's NDP government has kicked off a four-year deficit-busting plan by increasing the harmonized sales tax — making it the highest combined provincial and federal tax rate in the country.

Finance Minister Graham Steele unveiled his $9-billion deficit budget on Tuesday, calling it a "smart, strategic and steady" plan necessary to tackle a painful financial outlook.

I wonder where all the money from Ottawa went?

[KorbenDeck]

Bruce_the_vii Bruce_the_vii:

NDP notwithstanding when Bob Rae was Premier of Ontario he said there was "no room to raise taxes". Bob Rae gets and always has that family budgets are streched. I have letters from him that he gets the idea there are people not working in Canada and if they were back in the labour force they would generate taxes, enough taxes to cover the aging population. It's not one of my little jokes the Rae could outmanouver Flaherty on the lower taxes issue.

So we make is so that Canadians must pay taxes no matter where on Earth they are, if you do not submit income taxes we will just assume that you are making the Canadian average and tax you based on that. That would solve a few problems (ignoring the political shit storm it would cause) 1) Increased revenue, and 2) No more bailing out "Canadians" when they get in trouble in other countries because most of them will renounce Canadian Citizenship.

[Lemmy]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

It may be 2010 but it's still the same old HST and all the Conservatives are doing is implementing Paul Martins vision for screwing all Canadian equally.

The real aim of all this bullshite isn't about increasing revenue or streamlining the tax system it's about breaking up the Provincial boundries and making Canada a single tax entity with an omnipotent Government in Ottawa.

Any Province stupid enough to allow their elected officials to sell out to Ottawa for a measly billion or so dollars will get what they deserve, likely, in cut transfer payments, increased HST costs and no ability to stop it.

I agree totally.