[RUEZ]

CommanderSock CommanderSock:

RUEZ RUEZ:

CommanderSock CommanderSock:

Fuck that conservatives get involved way to much in these matters.

We have an obligation to help people that need help, regardless of their nationality.

If that were the case we'd be in almost every third world country.

But that's not the case.

Within our means obviously.

[Proculation]

The bias media seem to work well...

[CommanderSock]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

CommanderSock CommanderSock:

martin14 martin14:

Just another reason to vote Conservative.


Shall we haul out the "Liberals support terrorists" banner now ?

Fuck that conservatives get involved way to much in these matters.

Canada shouldn't be taking sides. As a country we should shut the fuck up and let them do that thing that they always do 'there'.

It's not Canada's problem. It's Israel's problem. It's Iran problem. It's Palestine's problem. Shit, it might even be an Egyptian or a Jordanian problem.

A Canadian problem it's not.

Nevertheless freedom to protest is allowed in this country, and people can and should vent their frustration if they want. I'm sure if France or Britain were occupied by China there's be plenty of Brits and French protesting on the street in Toronto and Montreal.

Let's watch the double standards.

We shouldn't take sides? Really?

Maybe we should just buy popcorn and watch a group of social mediaevals beat on the only democracy in the Middle East?

Or we could watch the same countries stone a chick for cheating on her husband, or maybe watch an uncle kill his niece for wearing a skirt, or we could join in throwing a bit of acid on young girls on their way to school?

Just standing back and doing nothing, well I’ll leave that to you brave non-Conservatives.

We can't keep running around the world teaching Democracy to those who aren't interested in it, they'll only resent us for it.

Or as in the case of Iraq, vote the same people into power, who killed allied troops. Sadr's boys are comfortably sitting in the Iraqi parliament.

[CommanderSock]

martin14 martin14:

CommanderSock CommanderSock:

Canada shouldn't be taking sides. As a country we should shut the fuck up and let them do that thing that they always do 'there'.

posted on the 66th anniversary of D-Day.


well done Sock.

We entered WW2 because we had strong ties to Britain's empire. The USA didn't even enter the war until it itself was attacked.

And I'm certain if a Europe were invaded today, Canada and the USA would dither as long as possible since defense of it isn't as popular as it once was.

[EyeBrock]

We in Canada 'aint ramming democracy down anybodies throat. Ever had a chat with an CF vet from the Afghan war?

We are doing the best we can. We send our young volunteers to a stone-age shit hole so that we can can at least try to improve their lives.

Sitting and just posting on a forum isn't enagement. Our boys are engaging and paying the price.

[RUEZ]

CommanderSock CommanderSock:

We entered WW2 because we were a colony of the Britain. The USA didn't even enter the war until it itself was attacked.

And I'm certain if a Europe were invaded today, Canada and the USA would dither as long as possible since defense of it isn't as popular as it once was.

You really believe that we only declared war because at one time we were a colony of Great Britain?

[EyeBrock]

CommanderSock CommanderSock:

martin14 martin14:

CommanderSock CommanderSock:

Canada shouldn't be taking sides. As a country we should shut the fuck up and let them do that thing that they always do 'there'.

posted on the 66th anniversary of D-Day.


well done Sock.

We entered WW2 because we had strong ties to Britain's empire. The USA didn't even enter the war until it itself was attacked.

And I'm certain if a Europe were invaded today, Canada and the USA would dither as long as possible since defense of it isn't as popular as it once was.

Well, if the populace is all like you, we wouldn't stop any bully or nazi. Just like we sat on our hands when the Rwanda genocide happened. It's not really someting to brag about eh?

[CommanderSock]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

We in Canada 'aint ramming democracy down anybodies throat. Ever had a chat with an CF vet from the Afghan war?

We are doing the best we can. We send our young volunteers to a stone-age shit hole so that we can can at least try to improve their lives.

Sitting and just posting on a forum isn't enagement. Our boys are engaging and paying the price.

I'm not saying anything to put down our troops, they are doing what is asked of them, nothing less. As expected from any army.

But let's not be fooled, we didn't go to a 'stone age shit hole' to improve their lives. We're there to improve our SECURITY HERE in the west. Or should I say, we're there to improve America's security.

Afghanistan was invaded because the government at the time had very strong links with people who despised US presence in the middle east.

If we were to go around the world bettering people's lives, we'd start with Congo, then Niger, then we'd move to Papua New Guinea.

[EyeBrock]

It's a double edged sword. We kill the bad guys and help the populace as we do it.

We have limited resources. We are in Afghanistan because we are in NATO. Going to the Congo is somebody elses problem.

[RUEZ]

CommanderSock CommanderSock:

But let's not be fooled, we didn't go to a 'stone age shit hole' to improve their lives. We're there to improve our SECURITY HERE in the west. Or should I say, we're there to improve America's security.

Maybe we didn't go there to improve thier lives, but I can tell you it is a high priority now. The schools and infrastructure are being built. That is all worthwhile.

[CommanderSock]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Well, if the populace is all like you, we wouldn't stop any bully or nazi. Just like we sat on our hands when the Rwanda genocide happened. It's not really someting to brag about eh?

On the contrary EB, i'm all for stopping genocides.

There's no genocide going on in the ME.

If we were out to stop genocides, we'd start with Sudan, who's number one on the list. Then Congo.

And as far as I remember, France, who instigated the Rwanda fiasco did just what you accuse me for, sat on it's hands until it couldn't feel them anymore. Then blamed tribalism.

[EyeBrock]

Really?

Iran's glorious leader saying that he want's to wipe Israel off the map just a bit of posturing? We should ignore that as they develop nukes eh?

On Africa, after the billions the west has pumped into there to no avail, I think the African Union should step in to Sudan and the Congo.

I spent two years of my life in various parts of Africa. I had an unpleasant few days in Khartoum.

You ever been to anywhere in Africa?

[PimpBrewski123]

Not sure if anyone noticed some while ago, the Bloc, PQ, Libs and that idiot from Quebec Solidaire marched in support and alongside a terrorist organisation.

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Montreal Gazette, August 8th, 2006

On Sunday, the leaders of the Parti Quebecois and the Bloc Quebecois, a Liberal member of Parliament and one of the co-spokespersons for Quebec Solidaire marched together at the head of about 15,000 other Quebecers for "justice and peace" in Lebanon.

Somewhere behind them, among those of Lebanon, Quebec and Canada, flew more than one flag of Hezbollah. (For the benefit of the reporters for some other media who apparently missed it, it was the one with the green assault rifle on the yellow background).

Now, it is true that Israel has at least shown a callous indifference to the civilian population of Lebanon caught in the crossfire between its armed forces and Hezbollah’s fighters.

But there is no doubt that when Hezbollah kills or maims civilians, Israelis and others, as it has been doing since long before the current escalation, it is not by accident. It has earned its place on the Canadian government’s official list of terrorist organizations.

And that’s why Andre Boisclair, Gilles Duceppe, Denis Coderre and Amir Khadir showed not only political opportunism on Sunday by literally positioning themselves out in front of a popular cause in Quebec, that of sympathy with the Lebanese people. By allowing themselves to be associated with sympathizers of a terrorist organization, they also showed poor judgment.

To their credit, Duceppe and Coderre, at least, called for the disarming of Hezbollah along with an immediate ceasefire in their speeches at the conclusion of the march. They might have been responding to a challenge issued the day before by the Quebec-Israel Committee in full-page ads in some Montreal dailies (including The Gazette), calling on leaders of the march to condemn terrorism.

For that, the two politicians were booed by part of the crowd, which seemed to be overwhelmingly anti-Israel, including some Hasidic Jews, who oppose the existence of Israel on religious grounds.

And Boisclair deplored excesses "in the tone of some slogans or on a few placards," without elaborating.

But none of this should have come as a surprise to anybody who had read the statement issued last Thursday and signed by the politicians, among others, announcing the march. For if it did not invite Hezbollah sympathizers to participate, it also contained nothing to discourage them from doing so.

The statement was almost ridiculously one-sided against Israel. While it described in some detail the death and destruction caused by Israel, not only in Lebanon but also in Gaza and the West Bank, it did not even mention terrorism or Hezbollah.

At most, it conceded that "there are Israeli civilians who are also paying the price of this war," without specifying that the price was death and injury inflicted by deliberately aimed Hezbollah rockets.

While it allowed Israel a "legitimate right to live in security," it stopped short of recognizing that country’s right to defend itself or suggesting how its right to security might otherwise be ensured.

It called for the respect of "all" United Nations resolutions on the Middle East conflict. Presumably, that includes Security Council Resolution 1559, which in 2004 called for the "disbanding and disarmament of all Lebanese and non-Lebanese militias," which includes Hezbollah. But if so, then why did the statement dare not say so explicitly ?

After the statement was made public, Duceppe tried to say it criticized Hezbollah as well as Israel. But he was contradicted by two other signatories, Coderre and Henri Masse, president of the FTQ labour organization. And they were right.

Maybe Duceppe and the other politicians who signed the statement were in too much of a hurry to get out in front of a crowd to read what they were signing - and to think about who might be in the crowd.

[ShepherdsDog]

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And I'm certain if a Europe were invaded today, Canada and the USA would dither as long as possible since defense of it isn't as popular as it once was.

The thing is Israel really doesn't need material support, just moral support. They can more than handle the Arab conscript armies....even when those armies were being armed by Western nations(Britain armed, trained and provided the officers for the Arab Legion) and then by Russia.

[Thanos]

At this stage the Israelis probably don't even care about the moral support either. Thanks to the last intefadeh, and it's terrorist atrocities against Israeli civilians such as the Jerusalem bus #19 and pizzaria bombings, even the Israeli Left is on side with aggressive responses to Islamist provokations. Thanks to their open siding and sympathisizing with terrorists, organizations like the UN and the EU have killed any support they had in Israel for at least the next generation. The peace camp that was willing to negotiate a two-state solution (which was always just a liberal pipe-dream anyway) is now permanently dead within Israel. Anyone who thinks that the Israelis aren't willing and able to go it completely alone, even without the United States, is just kidding themselves.