[Choban]

I thinks it's sad and silly that the government and employers have to step up to curb the weight issue in the states.

When I go shopping and I can get a 2l bottle of pop for less than a buck yet it costs 3-5 times that for apple or orange juice, well that kinda says it all doesn't it.

[ASLplease]

KorbenDeck KorbenDeck:

Just put a fat tax on income. if you are fat (and have no medical reason to justify it) than you pay another 10% income tax. Could also make the tax rise and fall with fittness

that is totally a drug induced liberal idiotic, head up your arse, idea.

Overweight is a symptom and side effect of almost every disease and medical condition out there. Many prescription drugs. And if prescription drugs can do it, so can an unknown food in your regular diet.

Have you ever heard of 'YMMV' (Your mileage may vary) it suggest that no matter what is determined in laboratory setting, everyone's personal experience will vary.

So what do we do? Tax someone that is 20lbs overweight when half is attributed to a medication? Thats not a fat tax, its a sick tax.

And how smug are you to think that anyone will be able to acurately gauge that half is attributed to the medication?

[bootlegga]

Choban Choban:

I thinks it's sad and silly that the government and employers have to step up to curb the weight issue in the states.

When I go shopping and I can get a 2l bottle of pop for less than a buck yet it costs 3-5 times that for apple or orange juice, well that kinda says it all doesn't it.

Not to mention that you (and your kids) have probably seen ten times more commercials for that sugary pop than they did for the OJ. All that advertising is a big factor in people's purchasing decisions too.

[Yogi]

bootlegga bootlegga:

Choban Choban:

I thinks it's sad and silly that the government and employers have to step up to curb the weight issue in the states.

When I go shopping and I can get a 2l bottle of pop for less than a buck yet it costs 3-5 times that for apple or orange juice, well that kinda says it all doesn't it.

Not to mention that you (and your kids) have probably seen ten times more commercials for that sugary pop than they did for the OJ. All that advertising is a big factor in people's purchasing decisions too.

While cigarettes can be addictive, people don't need to smoke to live, and advertising and clean-air restrictions curb tobacco's presence. People must eat, however, and sugary drinks and fatty snacks are everywhere, Kelder and others said.



Your statement just supports abdicating personal responsibility, Boots. 'Keyword being 'decision'!

As the article states 'cigarettes are everywhere', but to purchase them or not is a personal decision.

[Yogi]

ASLplease ASLplease:

KorbenDeck KorbenDeck:

Just put a fat tax on income. if you are fat (and have no medical reason to justify it) than you pay another 10% income tax. Could also make the tax rise and fall with fittness

that is totally a drug induced liberal idiotic, head up your arse, idea.

Overweight is a symptom and side effect of almost every disease and medical condition out there. Many prescription drugs. And if prescription drugs can do it, so can an unknown food in your regular diet.

Have you ever heard of 'YMMV' (Your mileage may vary) it suggest that no matter what is determined in laboratory setting, everyone's personal experience will vary.

So what do we do? Tax someone that is 20lbs overweight when half is attributed to a medication? Thats not a fat tax, its a sick tax.

And how smug are you to think that anyone will be able to acurately gauge that half is attributed to the medication?

I agree that weightgain/obesity can be attributed to medical condition in a very small number of cases the vast majority can attribute their obesity to a more common medical condition known as oral giganticus, or in layman's terms,gluttony!

[bootlegga]

Yogi Yogi:

bootlegga bootlegga:

Choban Choban:

I thinks it's sad and silly that the government and employers have to step up to curb the weight issue in the states.

When I go shopping and I can get a 2l bottle of pop for less than a buck yet it costs 3-5 times that for apple or orange juice, well that kinda says it all doesn't it.

Not to mention that you (and your kids) have probably seen ten times more commercials for that sugary pop than they did for the OJ. All that advertising is a big factor in people's purchasing decisions too.

While cigarettes can be addictive, people don't need to smoke to live, and advertising and clean-air restrictions curb tobacco's presence. People must eat, however, and sugary drinks and fatty snacks are everywhere, Kelder and others said.



Your statement just supports abdicating personal responsibility, Boots. 'Keyword being 'decision'!

As the article states 'cigarettes are everywhere', but to purchase them or not is a personal decision.

It doesn't abdicate responsibility one bit. Which product are you more likely to remember when you go the grocery store - Kashi which has one commercial a week or Froot Loops which is run nonstop during kids programming? Or when you go out to eat, which are you more likely to remember, that McDonald's has some new Mini Chicken sandwich or that they also sell salads.

If you don't think advertising doesn't affect people's purchasing decisions, you've been living in cave for the last 50 years.

[ASLplease]

Yogi Yogi:

I agree that weightgain/obesity can be attributed to medical condition in a very small number of cases the vast majority can attribute their obesity to a more common medical condition known as oral giganticus, or in layman's terms,gluttony!

There are prescription drugs that caused 30% of the patients during clinical trials to gain at least 20 lbs. I challenge you to be judgemental toward these people.

There are conditions like sleep apnea, where the patient will report things like " eating is one of the few times, I can consistantly feel energetic and alert". I challenge you to be the prick that passes judgement on their 'gluttony'

There are people with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease that are tethered to an oxygen tank for the rest of their life. I challenge you to be the prick that judges them for not be able to walk on the treadmill for 30 minutes per day.

You know what one of the most common symptoms of a chronic disease is? weight gain or weight loss. I challenge you to be the imbecile that tries telling the medical community that medical conditions that bring on weight gain are "a very small number of cases"

The medical community knows full well that the biggest challenges ahead are chronic diseases that you cant fix with a cast like you can with a broken arm.
Chronic diseases dont go away, they stay around for life, so do the new challenges they present like low energy(causes weight gain), pain(makes it difficult to fight weight gain with exercise), weight gain, depression(antidepressants causes weight gain), stress(caauses weight gain), fatigue ( causes weight gain) negative feeling and emotions ( causes many of the other symptoms to become worse)

[Brenda]

$1:

The medical community knows full well that the biggest challenges ahead are chronic diseases that you cant fix with a cast like you can with a broken arm.
Chronic diseases dont go away, they stay around for life, so do the new challenges they present like low energy(causes weight gain), pain(makes it difficult to fight weight gain with exercise), weight gain, depression(antidepressants causes weight gain), stress(caauses weight gain), fatigue ( causes weight gain) negative feeling and emotions ( causes many of the other symptoms to become worse)

Low energy should mean less intake of food, which means no weight gain.
Pain is not to solve with food, so no valid excuse.
Depression doesn't necessarily cause an increase in appetite, usually it makes you lose appetite, and thus weight loss.
Stress, see above.
Fatigue doesn't cause weight gain, it makes you freaking tired.
Negative feelings and emotions don't cause weight gain, it might increase your "need to eat".
Conclusion: Bad food and comfort food cause weight gain. There are plenty of ways to eat healthy and thus NOT gain weight.

Now I have a challenge for you. How to eat healthy and GAIN WEIGHT? If someone knows the answer, please let me know.

[Yogi]

ASLplease ASLplease:

Yogi Yogi:

I agree that weightgain/obesity can be attributed to medical condition in a very small number of cases the vast majority can attribute their obesity to a more common medical condition known as oral giganticus, or in layman's terms,gluttony!

There are prescription drugs that caused 30% of the patients during clinical trials to gain at least 20 lbs. I challenge you to be judgemental toward these people.

There are conditions like sleep apnea, where the patient will report things like " eating is one of the few times, I can consistantly feel energetic and alert". I challenge you to be the prick that passes judgement on their 'gluttony'

There are people with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease that are tethered to an oxygen tank for the rest of their life. I challenge you to be the prick that judges them for not be able to walk on the treadmill for 30 minutes per day.

You know what one of the most common symptoms of a chronic disease is? weight gain or weight loss. I challenge you to be the imbecile that tries telling the medical community that medical conditions that bring on weight gain are "a very small number of cases"

The medical community knows full well that the biggest challenges ahead are chronic diseases that you cant fix with a cast like you can with a broken arm.
Chronic diseases dont go away, they stay around for life, so do the new challenges they present like low energy(causes weight gain), pain(makes it difficult to fight weight gain with exercise), weight gain, depression(antidepressants causes weight gain), stress(caauses weight gain), fatigue ( causes weight gain) negative feeling and emotions ( causes many of the other symptoms to become worse)

I'm really good 'at being a prick and an imbecile'. I've had over 50 years to fine tune 'it'! Reread my post. I stand by it. Although some people are overweight due to bonafide medical condition, they are in the minority! The vast majority of overweight/obese people are so because of stuffing too much food down their gullets, and not doing any exercise to counter-balance!
Fact: calories out= calories in, weight is static.

[Yogi]

bootlegga bootlegga:

Yogi Yogi:

bootlegga bootlegga:

I thinks it's sad and silly that the government and employers have to step up to curb the weight issue in the states.

When I go shopping and I can get a 2l bottle of pop for less than a buck yet it costs 3-5 times that for apple or orange juice, well that kinda says it all doesn't it.

Not to mention that you (and your kids) have probably seen ten times more commercials for that sugary pop than they did for the OJ. All that advertising is a big factor in people's purchasing decisions too.

While cigarettes can be addictive, people don't need to smoke to live, and advertising and clean-air restrictions curb tobacco's presence. People must eat, however, and sugary drinks and fatty snacks are everywhere, Kelder and others said.



Your statement just supports abdicating personal responsibility, Boots. 'Keyword being 'decision'!

As the article states 'cigarettes are everywhere', but to purchase them or not is a personal decision.

It doesn't abdicate responsibility one bit. Which product are you more likely to remember when you go the grocery store - Kashi which has one commercial a week or Froot Loops which is run nonstop during kids programming? Or when you go out to eat, which are you more likely to remember, that McDonald's has some new Mini Chicken sandwich or that they also sell salads.

If you don't think advertising doesn't affect people's purchasing decisions, you've been living in cave for the last 50 years.[/quote]


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And this circumvents personal responsibility how, exactly??? I see the same friggin ads on tv that everyone else does. So do all the people who eat right and exercise, and maintain a healthy weight!

[wildrosegirl]

Why be responsible? Just fill up on all that crap, become 800 lbs and sue Coke and Dunkin' Donuts for not properly warning you that this could happen.

Rake in a few million, spend some time at the fat farm and you'll be on the beach in the Bahama's in your speedo before you know it.


/sarcasm

[Brenda]

wildrosegirl wildrosegirl:

Why be responsible? Just fill up on all that crap, become 800 lbs and sue Coke and Dunkin' Donuts for not properly warning you that this could happen.

Rake in a few million, spend some time at the fat farm and you'll be on the beach in the Bahama's in your speedo before you know it.


/sarcasm

Geesh, girl, and you come with this NOW??? Give them ideas to put warning labels on their products! Now we are too late!

[wildrosegirl]

Brenda Brenda:

wildrosegirl wildrosegirl:

Why be responsible? Just fill up on all that crap, become 800 lbs and sue Coke and Dunkin' Donuts for not properly warning you that this could happen.

Rake in a few million, spend some time at the fat farm and you'll be on the beach in the Bahama's in your speedo before you know it.


/sarcasm

Geesh, girl, and you come with this NOW??? Give them ideas to put warning labels on their products! Now we are too late!

So sue me.

[Brenda]

wildrosegirl wildrosegirl:

Brenda Brenda:

wildrosegirl wildrosegirl:

Why be responsible? Just fill up on all that crap, become 800 lbs and sue Coke and Dunkin' Donuts for not properly warning you that this could happen.

Rake in a few million, spend some time at the fat farm and you'll be on the beach in the Bahama's in your speedo before you know it.


/sarcasm

Geesh, girl, and you come with this NOW??? Give them ideas to put warning labels on their products! Now we are too late!

So sue me.

Meh, ya don't have the millions I want

[ASLplease]

Yogi Yogi:

Reread my post. I stand by it. Although some people are overweight due to bonafide medical condition, they are in the minority!

If I only respond to what you write and assume that there is nothing implied. Then I agree. However, I do feel that the persons with the bonifide medical conditions are grossly understated, and perhaps not yet diagnosed.

Yogi Yogi:

The vast majority of overweight/obese people are so because of stuffing too much food down their gullets,

Again, if I respond to what you write and do not assume that anything is being implied, then I agree. However, I feel that the group considered to be 'gluttonous is often overstated, and perhaps misdiagnosed. I think many of them have underlying medical conditions that contributed to their gluttony and obesity. for examply, how much blame do you assign to an undiagnosed respiratory condition thatinfluenced how a youth reacts to exercise? We cant assume that all children will feel energetic after a 1km jog, the ones with high upper airway resistance are going to feel the same way as a healthy person that jogs 35kms. That is bound to have an influence on how they see exercise and how much exercise they do while growing up. Sure the HUAR doesnt make the personobese, but it contributes to the set of circumstances that creates the obesity

Yogi Yogi:

and not doing any exercise to counter-balance!

What you do, and what you eat is less important than how much you eat. So with that in mind, even an athlete that is packing an extra 10lbs is a glutton.

Yogi Yogi:

Fact: calories out= calories in, weight is static.

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YMMV. your mileage may vary
You are just as guilty as a motorvehicle branch that says "this car will get 40 miles to the gallon"